[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

The Propaganda Video The Propaganda Video:

It was the question with the most votes.

Well damn....I guess that means it's the most important issue in the Country today!

Some of us have real priorities beyond what drugs we put into our body.

Like what? Dealing with local crime, the economy, and international organized crime in one fell-swoop is low priority for you?

What is your proposal for making the world a better place?

The majority of Canada supports legalization, regulation, and taxation of marijuana.

[peck420]

How will Canada legalizing marijuana affect international organized crime?

By giving them a safe haven to work in?

I was very pro-legalization until I started to dwell on that.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

Like what? Dealing with local crime, the economy, and international organized crime in one fell-swoop is low priority for you?

What is your proposal for making the world a better place?

The majority of Canada supports legalization, regulation, and taxation of marijuana.

Like getting jobs, solving their own debt and health issues.

The majority may support it, but that doesn't mean it's at the top of their priority list. There are far more important things people worry about than allowing others to use drugs.

Another bit of bullshit you spewed there....making changes to our drug laws will do NOTHING to solve international OC....we're a very small Country and isn't our white knight to prop up our economy.

This is why you're a shitty person to push this agenda.

[Curtman]

peck420 peck420:

How will Canada legalizing marijuana affect international organized crime?

By giving them a safe haven to work in?

I was very pro-legalization until I started to dwell on that.

The ability for Canada to export marijuana will depend on laws in countries that want to receive it. Example: Canadian Asbestos Exports.

[peck420]

Curtman Curtman:

The ability for Canada to export marijuana will depend on laws in countries that want to receive it. Example: Canadian Asbestos Exports.

Oh yes, because international crime organizations are paragons of 'operation of law'.

No, what happens when El Heffe sets up his operations in Canada? What happens when international crime syndicates start basing their leadership out of our boarders? Do you think they are going to be exceptional little neighbours that will contain their criminal activities to other nations?

Don't count on it.

What happens when Los Zetas are flooding Vancouver, the new centre of their operation? All peaches and cream? It will just bring the ugliest end of the drug wars onto our soil.

We don't need to put Canada in a situation like that. We don't have the resources or the experience for it.

At best, we may be able to get decriminalization on possession, but we have a great deal of questions that will require answers before we can entertain any thoughts of complete legalization.

[Curtman]

peck420 peck420:

Curtman Curtman:

The ability for Canada to export marijuana will depend on laws in countries that want to receive it. Example: Canadian Asbestos Exports.

Oh yes, because international crime organizations are paragons of 'operation of law'.

No, what happens when El Heffe sets up his operations in Canada? What happens when international crime syndicates start basing their leadership out of our boarders? Do you think they are going to be exceptional little neighbours that will contain their criminal activities to other nations?

What prevents this now? The market and only the market. Canada produces an abundance of marijuana. We should take our users out of the international market if we care about it.

peck420 peck420:

Don't count on it.

What happens when Los Zetas are flooding Vancouver, the new centre of their operation? All peaches and cream? It will just bring the ugliest end of the drug wars onto our soil.

We don't need to put Canada in a situation like that. We don't have the resources or the experience for it.

At best, we may be able to get decriminalization on possession, but we have a great deal of questions that will require answers before we can entertain any thoughts of complete legalization.

We can lead on marijuana regulation, like we did at the end of alcohol prohibition. Canada can be the moderate voice of reason that will eventually be the end of marijuana prohibition.

[peck420]

Curtman Curtman:

What prevents this now? The market and only the market. Canada produces an abundance of marijuana. We should take our users out of the international market if we care about it.

Incorrect. The only thing that prevents this now is that it is cheaper to purchase the loyalty of the police in places like Mexico, than it is in Canada.

Organized crime knows no borders, only profitability and control. We are currently less profitable then the alternate locations.

Legalization will remove that.

$1:

We can lead on marijuana regulation, like we did at the end of alcohol prohibition. Canada can be the moderate voice of reason that will eventually be the end of marijuana prohibition.

Or we could put our big boy pants on and use some common sense.

It is nice that you brought up alcohol prohibition. What happened between 1920 and 1933? I will give you a hint, it involved a great deal of organized crime elements migrating to Canada, where they could safely produce alcohol that was smuggled into the US. That ended when the US ended their prohibition in 1933.

"I don't even know what street Canada is on," - Al Capone, while being questioned about his bootlegging of Canadian liquor into the US.

Do we really want to do this again over marijuana?

Now, let's move onto 'leading on marijuana regulation'. There is absolutely no reason why Canada can't lead on regulation without inviting NA's best to our door.

It's called starting a global initiative. Shouldn't be hard to convince the USA and Mexico to join us with all of the hard evidence supporting the cost and lack of effect that prohibition has, should it?

[Curtman]

peck420 peck420:

Curtman Curtman:

What prevents this now? The market and only the market. Canada produces an abundance of marijuana. We should take our users out of the international market if we care about it.

Incorrect. The only thing that prevents this now is that it is cheaper to purchase the loyalty of the police in places like Mexico, than it is in Canada.

Marijuana costs no more to produce than tomatoes, but it's more valuable than gold. Prohibition is the reason.

peck420 peck420:

Organized crime knows no borders, only profitability and control. We are currently less profitable then the alternate locations.

Legalization will remove that.

$1:

We can lead on marijuana regulation, like we did at the end of alcohol prohibition. Canada can be the moderate voice of reason that will eventually be the end of marijuana prohibition.

Or we could put our big boy pants on and use some common sense.

It is nice that you brought up alcohol prohibition. What happened between 1920 and 1933? I will give you a hint, it involved a great deal of organized crime elements migrating to Canada, where they could safely produce alcohol that was smuggled into the US. That ended when the US ended their prohibition in 1933.

"I don't even know what street Canada is on," - Al Capone, while being questioned about his bootlegging of Canadian liquor into the US.

Do we really want to do this again over marijuana?

Now, let's move onto 'leading on marijuana regulation'. There is absolutely no reason why Canada can't lead on regulation without inviting NA's best to our door.

It's called starting a global initiative. Shouldn't be hard to convince the USA and Mexico to join us with all of the hard evidence supporting the cost and lack of effect that prohibition has, should it?

It is already happening. It will happen with or without us. End prohibition and stop the violence.

[andyt]

Actually in BC we want weed to remain illegal and are worried about the effect of WA and CO legalization on our exports. Weed is keeping a lot of guys who used to work in logging or mining in a middle class lifestyle. They may not pay taxes, but they sure pay property tax on the houses they are able to maintain, taxes on the vehicles they are able to afford to drive, etc etc. These guys aren't gangsters, tho they probably sell to gangsters. Just middle class guys trying to keep their heads above water. Legalization south of the border threatens all that.

But since there seems to be a growing push south of the border for legalization, we should get on the bandwagon early, or have our producers outcompeted by the much cheaper legal production costs in the US. Fortunately both WA and CO will regulate production so it can't be exported, otherwise we'd be in even bigger trouble as far as one of our main industries is concerned. We should join the legalization bandwagon to establish BC bud as a brand (various brands really), because there are many strains of pot out there, both indica and sativa, and people develop preferences same as for brands of booze. We want to stay on top of that brand identification, same as the booze and cig merchants work so hard to establish.

[OnTheIce]

peck420 peck420:

Or we could put our big boy pants on and use some common sense.

It is nice that you brought up alcohol prohibition. What happened between 1920 and 1933? I will give you a hint, it involved a great deal of organized crime elements migrating to Canada, where they could safely produce alcohol that was smuggled into the US. That ended when the US ended their prohibition in 1933.

"I don't even know what street Canada is on," - Al Capone, while being questioned about his bootlegging of Canadian liquor into the US.

Do we really want to do this again over marijuana?

Don't cloud Curt's judgement with facts, reason and evidence from the past.

Curt keeps telling us that it will "end the violence" which is so far from the truth, it's laughable.

[peck420]

Curtman Curtman:

Marijuana costs no more to produce than tomatoes, but it's more valuable than gold. Prohibition is the reason.

Do you honestly think production costs are what I was referring to?

Not that that matters, I doubt you even realized that most of Canada's tomatoes aren't produced in Canada, when you made your statement.

$1:

It is already happening. It will happen with or without us. End prohibition and stop the violence.

And here we get to the point you seem incapable of grasping. Unless everybody legalizes, Canada legalizing will do nothing other then bring the violence here.

We are a tiny population base. Our legalization of marijuana won't have any effect on the global crime market. The only thing it will change is where every gang goes to grow their weed.

Then they will fight over who gets control of Canadian production, and that will bring a nice drug war home...yay! So much for ending the violence.

For the violence to end, the major markets will have to legalize production and consumption. Even the US, alone won't be enough.

[andyt]

peck420 peck420:

Curtman Curtman:

Unless everybody legalizes, Canada legalizing will do nothing other then bring the violence here.

We are a tiny population base. Our legalization of marijuana won't have any effect on the global crime market. The only thing it will change is where every gang goes to grow their weed.

Then they will fight over who gets control of Canadian production, and that will bring a nice drug war home...yay! So much for ending the violence.

For the violence to end, the major markets will have to legalize production and consumption. Even the US, alone won't be enough.

We already have the violence here.

What you say makes no sense - criminals will come here to grow pot legally, but commit violence to see who can do so? What, the govt is just going to stand by and issue licenses to grow pot to the last gangster standing? If there's violence, it's around illegal growing - you know, like we have now. Meanwhile they will be way outcompeted by the legal growers who have much lower costs.

Man, people come up with some nutty ideas.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

peck420 peck420:

Unless everybody legalizes, Canada legalizing will do nothing other then bring the violence here.

We are a tiny population base. Our legalization of marijuana won't have any effect on the global crime market. The only thing it will change is where every gang goes to grow their weed.

Then they will fight over who gets control of Canadian production, and that will bring a nice drug war home...yay! So much for ending the violence.

For the violence to end, the major markets will have to legalize production and consumption. Even the US, alone won't be enough.

We already have the violence here.

What you say makes no sense - criminals will come here to grow pot legally, but commit violence to see who can do so? What, the govt is just going to stand by and issue licenses to grow pot to the last gangster standing? If there's violence, it's around illegal growing - you know, like we have now. Meanwhile they will be way outcompeted by the legal growers who have much lower costs.

Man, people come up with some nutty ideas.

This is your brain. This is your brain on prohibition propaganda.

Any questions?

[Curtman]

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

We already have the violence here.

What you say makes no sense - criminals will come here to grow pot legally, but commit violence to see who can do so? What, the govt is just going to stand by and issue licenses to grow pot to the last gangster standing? If there's violence, it's around illegal growing - you know, like we have now. Meanwhile they will be way outcompeted by the legal growers who have much lower costs.

Man, people come up with some nutty ideas.

And you and Curt are the masters of nutty ideas, so you think you'd know one when you see one....apparently, you don't.

You look at this with rose coloured glasses. Funny to watch.