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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:41 am
 


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I didn't even get that before. Now I get the title, but in small letters with the key beside it.

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The RCMP has been trying to investigate an obstruction of justice in the handling of the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, but The Globe and Mail reports it’s being blocked by the federal government’s refusal to lift cabinet confidentiality for all witnesses in the case.

The Globe reports cabinet matters must be kept secret unless a waiver is granted, something the top bureaucrat, their Clerk of the Privy Council, isn’t willing to grant.



https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/09/11 ... t-reports/


And now, the hyper partisans are having a field day with it! :lol:

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Political disinformation is rampant online. How can voters cope?

He didn't 'block' the RCMP, he just isn't lifting Cabinet Confidentiality.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:46 am
 


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He didn't 'block' the RCMP, he just isn't lifting Cabinet Confidentiality.


Without any new information to be gleaned that's pretty much a blocking maneuver.


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He didn't 'block' the RCMP, he just isn't lifting Cabinet Confidentiality.


Without any new information to be gleaned that's pretty much a blocking maneuver.


That assumes there is new information to be gleaned. If there isn't then it's just protecting cabinet privilege they already enjoy, and stopping a fishing expedition.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:44 am
 


I agree with DrCaleb on this. It's a right / privilege that has been granted to them by the gov. If you are going to take a right away have a vote on it. Just don't arbitrarily take a right away. That is what people are trying to do down here with peoples right to bare arms.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:45 am
 


And yes it is getting to that point. BETO has said he wants to confiscate peoples weapons.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:52 am
 


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I agree with DrCaleb on this. It's a right / privilege that has been granted to them by the gov. If you are going to take a right away have a vote on it. Just don't arbitrarily take a right away.


Don't get me wrong though - Trudeau royally screwed the pooch on the whole SNC thing. But Cabinet conversations are privileged for a good reason, and the RCMP doesn't need yet another vector to stick their noses where they don't belong.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:00 pm
 


Any way you cut it, it's an RCMP investigation


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Let’s call this what it is, an investigation. That is what is happening, or at least was happening until the election was called, with the RCMP looking into claims of obstruction of justice.

I know the Liberals and many in the media are going to great lengths to explain that this is anything but an investigation. They point to the RCMP statement that simply says they are “examining this matter carefully.”

There has been no announcement that there is an official investigation and the Globe and Mail noted that when they broke this story wide open on Tuesday night.

But let’s look at what we do have.


The RCMP is attempting to speak with witnesses and they have asked for documents. They have asked for, and been denied, greater access to documents and witnesses than the ethics commissioner was granted.

We know this because the justice department confirmed to the Globe that the waiver would not be expanded. We also have confirmation from Trudeau himself and his officials that the decision not to grant that wider waiver of cabinet confidence was made by the Clerk of the Privy Council and he backs up that decision.

Now we also know that Jody Wilson-Raybould was interviewed by the Mounties on Tuesday.

“I have had a meeting and I have been interviewed by the RCMP,” Wilson-Raybould told the Globe. She also expressed concern that the Mounties were blocked from getting full access to witnesses and documents.

“As a matter of principle, the RCMP should be able to conduct thorough and necessary investigations,” she said.

When the RCMP is looking into potential criminal wrongdoing, when they are interviewing witnesses and seeking documents, that is an investigation.

I don’t care about the semantic games being played by the Liberals and their allies, words have actual meaning beyond what politicians want them to mean. By any definition the RCMP was investigating this matter.

That is until Trudeau called the election and stopped any further action until after the vote.

I fully understand why the Liberals want to avoid the word “investigation” being used — being investigated by the police is bad news for any political party in the middle of an election.

What I can’t understand is why so many in the media are avoiding using the word and twisting themselves into pretzels to explain the issue away.

I don’t care about the semantic games being played by the Liberals and their allies, words have actual meaning beyond what politicians want them to mean. By any definition the RCMP was investigating this matter.

That is until Trudeau called the election and stopped any further action until after the vote.

I fully understand why the Liberals want to avoid the word “investigation” being used — being investigated by the police is bad news for any political party in the middle of an election.

What I can’t understand is why so many in the media are avoiding using the word and twisting themselves into pretzels to explain the issue away.


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And if the above isn't clear, here's Lilley on video clarifying.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:16 pm
 


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Yes, proof of Car Insurance on your smart phone, I'm looking at you.

Make it your background on your lock screen. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:32 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Don't get me wrong though - Trudeau royally screwed the pooch on the whole SNC thing. But Cabinet conversations are privileged for a good reason, and the RCMP doesn't need yet another vector to stick their noses where they don't belong.


A privilege can't be used to break the law though, not with conversations about SNC any more than Nixon could with the tapes he made of all his discussions. If Trudeau openly to ordered JWR to lay off on SNC because it was politically bad for him in his own Montreal riding then it's no longer merely a breach in ethics, it's crossed the line into a criminal act. RCMP needs to know this.

Amazing what Trudeau is in reality. He wanted to be seen as a hip & squee Canadian JFK/Obama but instead is showing himself to be just a dingy & feckless Canadian Nixon/Trump. Oh, how pride goeth before a fall... :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:37 pm
 


This could get more interesting and the timing makes ot even more so.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:36 am
 


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Don't get me wrong though - Trudeau royally screwed the pooch on the whole SNC thing. But Cabinet conversations are privileged for a good reason, and the RCMP doesn't need yet another vector to stick their noses where they don't belong.


A privilege can't be used to break the law though, not with conversations about SNC any more than Nixon could with the tapes he made of all his discussions. If Trudeau openly to ordered JWR to lay off on SNC because it was politically bad for him in his own Montreal riding then it's no longer merely a breach in ethics, it's crossed the line into a criminal act. RCMP needs to know this.

Amazing what Trudeau is in reality. He wanted to be seen as a hip & squee Canadian JFK/Obama but instead is showing himself to be just a dingy & feckless Canadian Nixon/Trump. Oh, how pride goeth before a fall... :lol:


Cabinet Privilege can be used to break the law. That's why the privilege exists. It was set up to protect Parliament from The Crown. The RCMP are part of the State that was the intent of the law.

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Parliamentary privileges were first claimed centuries ago when the English House of Commons was struggling to establish a distinct role for itself within Parliament. These privileges were necessary to protect the House of Commons and its Members not from the people but from the power and interference of the King and the House of Lords.

The privileges enjoyed by the House and its Members continue to be vital to the proper functioning of Parliament. From time to time the House of Commons in Canada has had to challenge the Crown, the executive (Cabinet) or the Upper House (the Senate), by asserting its independence based on parliamentary privilege.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:57 am
 


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Yes, proof of Car Insurance on your smart phone, I'm looking at you.

Make it your background on your lock screen. :lol:


Yea, no security issues with showing your name and address on your stolen phone is there? ;)

I'll stick to paper thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:05 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
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Yes, proof of Car Insurance on your smart phone, I'm looking at you.

Make it your background on your lock screen. :lol:


Yea, no security issues with showing your name and address on your stolen phone is there? ;)

I'll stick to paper thanks.

:lol: Valid, same here, it's not exactly taking up room in my wallet.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:18 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:

Cabinet Privilege can be used to break the law. That's why the privilege exists. It was set up to protect Parliament from The Crown. The RCMP are part of the State that was the intent of the law.


I don't think it was meant to be interpreted that way. It was meant to prevent the king or the opposition from arbitrarily declaring that which was previously legal under an enemy PM or chancellor to be illegal in order to persecute them after they left office. It was never intended to provide a blanket immunity to a PM to engage in obvious law-breaking under current legal statutes while in office. That's what Trump's orcs are trying to claim, that the presidential privileges mean that he can't be held accountable for anything he does while in office even if it is clearly against the law.

We don't want to go down this road. We're already seeing it in the US where the increasingly imperial presidency, which unfortunately began way back under Lincoln, is culminating in a rogue presidency under Trump. To allow this same phenomenon to occur in Canada would be disastrous, and would blast a artillery shell-sized hole in our already paper-thin claim that somehow this silly country of ours is somehow cleaner and more moral than the other ones in the world.


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