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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:41 am
 


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Anybody remember this promise?



I don't even pay attention any more, because I know promises will not be kept.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:40 am
 


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2) The Progressive Conservative Party is not “defunct”. It merged with the Canadian Alliance party to form the current Conservative Party. Its members are now members of the Conservative Party of Canada.


The values on which PCs were platformed were not carried over to the new parties.

Remember the "Big Tent"? "Red" Tories? "Blue" Tories? Individualism? Noblesse oblige? The CPC is none of these things.

And 'tory' is from an Irish (?) word for 'rebel'. Are the CPC 'rebels'? No. Yet people still call the CPC 'Tories'.



Red Tories are why Dopey got elected, and look at the results.

If you want to complain about much farther to the right the PCs have gone,
let's have a real chat about how much farther the left has gone these days.

There is your real movement.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:43 am
 


martin14 wrote:
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2) The Progressive Conservative Party is not “defunct”. It merged with the Canadian Alliance party to form the current Conservative Party. Its members are now members of the Conservative Party of Canada.


The values on which PCs were platformed were not carried over to the new parties.

Remember the "Big Tent"? "Red" Tories? "Blue" Tories? Individualism? Noblesse oblige? The CPC is none of these things.

And 'tory' is from an Irish (?) word for 'rebel'. Are the CPC 'rebels'? No. Yet people still call the CPC 'Tories'.



Red Tories are why Dopey got elected, and look at the results.

If you want to complain about much farther to the right the PCs have gone,
let's have a real chat about how much farther the left has gone these days.

There is your real movement.


One is a result of the other. The left moves left because the right moves right because the left moves left.

Here I am, stuck in the middle. ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:53 am
 


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Its the Chinese that are leaning on the PMO to stop the investigation into SNC because they don't want the connection to Huawei to be uncovered....

The CBC will be right on this. [popcorn]


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:26 pm
 


Ethics investigation launched into SNC Lavalin scandal, Liberal MP rebels and joins in asking for full parliamentary justic committee investigation:

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OTTAWA — A Liberal MP has joined opposition calls for an investigation into an allegation that former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould was pressured by the Prime Minister’s Office to help SNC-Lavalin avoid criminal prosecution.

New Brunswick MP Wayne Long says in a statement posted to social media that he was “extremely troubled” when the allegation surfaced last week and nothing he has heard since has made him feel less unsettled.

“How the law treats individuals or corporations in our society is not, and should never be, incumbent upon the political pressure they can exert upon politicians,” he says.

Long stresses he’s not “rushing to any judgment” in the matter, but believes “a full and transparent investigation” by the House of Commons justice committee is necessary to provide answers in the affair. For that reason, he says he supports an opposition motion to launch an inquiry.

Conservatives and New Democrats on the justice committee joined forces to get an emergency meeting on Wednesday to consider a motion calling on nine high-ranking government officials to testify, including Wilson-Raybould herself. The list also includes David Lametti, who replaced Wilson-Raybould as federal attorney general in a January cabinet shuffle, the prime minister’s chief of staff, Katie Telford, and his principal secretary, Gerald Butts.

The New Democrats said Monday that the federal ethics commissioner, Mario Dion, is looking into the events, after they requested he do so last week.

“Justin Trudeau promised Canadians he would change the way politics worked in Ottawa, but instead his Liberal government continues to prioritize helping insiders and the rich get ahead. Canadians deserve better,” said Charlie Angus, the party’s ethics critic, in a written statement.

Lametti, meanwhile, is set to face a fresh round of questions about the simmering political controversy. He will be pressed for details on the brewing allegations after giving a speech to a gathering of lawyers today.


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Could be big.


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Could be massive. As a minimum it probably means the end of Gerald Butts if the PMO staff ends up falling on their swords over this. And that would be a good thing for the entire country to see that ideologue ass take a hike into irrelevancy.


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It’s all going to depend on the details of who said what to whom and we don’t know the details yet. This could constitute obstruction of justice but only if there was undue pressure on the independent prosecutor.

In any criminal case, Cabinet or the PM is legally entitled to direct the Justice Minister (who is also a member of cabinet) to in turn request the prosecutor’s office consider a plea deal (the prosecutor is not obligated to comply with the request). Not sure how it works if it’s insiders in the PMO operating outside of cabinet or the PM’s knowledge

The only legal requirement is that any request from the Justice Minister to the prosecutors office for a particular outcome be in writing and a matter of public record and that the JM or any other government actor cannot retaliate against the Prosecutors office as they are meant to be independent of the politicall party in power.

But the JM is a politician and not an independent branch of government, they serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister and can be shuffled/demoted/fired at any time for any reason, but there may be a fine line that was crossed here depending how it went down.


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Could be massive. As a minimum it probably means the end of Gerald Butts if the PMO staff ends up falling on their swords over this. And that would be a good thing for the entire country to see that ideologue ass take a hike into irrelevancy.


His irrelevancy would be the best thing that ever happened to our country. Unfortunately even if he's shit canned from the PMO's office he'll just attach himself leech like to some other socialist gov't or organization and start the process of insinuating himself into a position of unwarranted power all over again.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:56 pm
 


Yeah, he'd be on the must-hire-now list for either Horgan or Horwath before he even put his signature on his multi-million dollar federal severance package. A rat like that doesn't stay unemployed for very long.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:06 pm
 


Nobody yet been ablyto explain what’s so nefarious about this Butts guy, he’s the senior liberal policy advisor and therefore evil for that reason alone, I guess ?


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Butts providing the main impetus inside the PMO towards shutting down the Canadian oil & gas sector altogether over the next several decades doesn't exactly make him a fan-favourite out here. And we are also well aware about the differences in a Trudeau speech in French in Quebec compared to the ones he makes in the West.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:10 pm
 


Don't want to derail this thread but.....

On a related note.


PMO/PCO now accused of interfering in case against Admiral Norman.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-n ... -1.5014538

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Norman's defence accuses Trudeau PMO of attempting to direct prosecution

A pretrial hearing in the breach-of-trust case against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman took a sudden political turn Monday when the defence alleged that prosecutors have been talking trial strategy with the bureaucratic arm of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's office.

The federal government is fighting defence requests for the release of notes from meetings between officials at the Privy Council Office (PCO) and Crown lawyers.

In an email sent to Norman's lawyers on Friday, one of the lead prosecutors, Barbara Mercier, said the documents being sought by the defence are going to be censored because they deal with "trial strategy."

That prompted defence counsel Christine Mainville to accuse the Prime Minister's Office of trying to direct the case.

She also said the Crown should not be discussing strategy with PCO — the arm of the bureaucracy that supports the work of the Prime Minister's Office and cabinet — because it instigated the investigation into an alleged leak of cabinet secrets Norman has been accused of orchestrating.

Mainville said the discussion with PCO is "more concerning" than the allegations at the centre of the SNC Lavalin controversy because it involves direct dealings between the PCO and prosecutors.

"The prosecution should not be discussing trial strategy with the Prime Minister's Office's right-hand person," she said, referring to the PCO legal counsel.

"By all appearances, this is a more direct influencing of the prosecution. The attorney general is entirely bypassed. The Prime Minister's Office, via its right arm the PCO, is dealing directly with the (Public Prosecution Service of Canada). And the prosecution service is allowing this to happen."

That prompted a cutting remark from the judge hearing Norman's case.

"So much for the independence of the PPSC," said Judge Heather Perkins-McVey.

Lawyers have argued several times over the last two months about the disclosure of federal government documents being sought by the defence. Norman's lawyers claim the documents are important to his case.

Norman is accused of leaking cabinet secrets to a Quebec shipyard and a CBC journalist in relation to a $668 million shipbuilding deal in 2015.


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Nobody yet been ablyto explain what’s so nefarious about this Butts guy, he’s the senior liberal policy advisor and therefore evil for that reason alone, I guess ?


Not at all. Maybe he's not evil but he's destructive on a whole new level. He got and brought his warped life altering energy agenda which, didn't work in Ontario to a national level and somehow convinced two Premiers and one Prime Minister that it will save the planet. The man must have Rasputin like powers to hold sway over supposedly rational Liberal Politicians like he does and then get them to let his agenda be the defining one for their political terms.

But if you don't or won't see the similarities between what happened in Ontario and what's happening in Canada then you'll never think there's a problem with him being an "advisor" to the Prime Minister of Canada.


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It is uncontroversial to call Ontario's energy situation a disaster. As Premier Kathleen Wynne has herself conceded: Ontarians are now having to "choose between paying the electricity bill and buying food or paying rent."

Wynne's polling numbers suggest that most Ontarians know where to square the blame, with a pitiful 15 per cent approval rating and 58 per cent of the electorate believing she should resign.

However, Wynne alone shouldn't bear the burden for the fact that hydro bills for the average consumer have skyrocketed over recent years; it was former premier Dalton McGuinty and his Liberal team from 2003 to 2012 — including his former principal secretary and "policy guru" Gerald Butts — who set Ontario on this financially bleak, dead-end road. And now, Butts is headed on the same path, leading not the premier, but the prime minister, on the way down.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/ontario ... -1.3884108

But since you asked about evil it wouldn't be fair for me to mention, his "you're all Nazi's" if you laughed at people kind or his retweeting of a stabbing joke after two of our soldiers were attacked by a knife wielding radical Muslim or his stance on oil and gas in Alberta.

So maybe he's not evil per se but he's arrogant and influential enough to have his polices which up to now have been destructive put into place by people who are supposed to be looking out for the welfare of their constituents but have chosen to ignore that fact.


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