[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Unlike some people most of us just don't want to see our tax dollars being used to enrich the corrupt leadership of these Bannock Republics which, is likely why the Conservatives enacted the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act and why Trudeau and his corrupt Liberals immediately rescinded it.

And speaking of corrupt leadership that rescinding the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act has allowed to flourish, how about this gentleman...,

You can’t curb crime and corruption until you end poverty and squalor. That’s as true for white people at any point in history as it is for FN people or people in the Third World Countries. YOUR ancestors were probably corrupt criminals, or tolerated living amongst them until fairly recently when they had the opportunity to move out of poverty.

Canada, the US and Europe had blatant political corruption and crime-filled slums no different from what people allege happens on FN Reserves and that didn’t change until the “social engineering” of the Great Depression and post-WW2 created a large middle class and general prosperity for the first time. Why would you expect FN to be any different?

And besides clean drinking water shouldn’t be conditional. The PEOPLE of a community deserve clean water regardless of whether their political leaders are corrupt or not. It’s outrageous that anyone would think otherwise and curious that this only seems to apply to FN. I didn’t hear anyone say we should withhold aid from Fort Macmurray if their mayor is rude to the press or caught up in some scandal, that rule only seems to apply to FN I guess.

So, could you show me where in Canada a slum is being run by an individual or individuals who are garnering vast amounts of our tax dollars for themselves while watching the residents of their ghetto slowly sink into even worse poverty, addiction and homelessness?

We cleaned up crap like that over a century ago by stopping the funding of leaders who did that or putting them in jail. So, now when you think about it the only corrupt power people we have now are our politicians and for some reason, alot of the Native Band Councils and Chiefs.


Although, I do agree that clean drinking water shouldn't be conditional especially when as a leader you campaign on it. Trudeau's purposely underfunded the Natives water issues by over a billion dollars while promising away vast amounts of money, 9 billion to be exact to places like sub Saharan Africa and that has nothing to do with crime, ghetto's or white people, other than the fact that there are some people Tammany Hall types on the reserve who'd be more than happy to take the money allocated for clean water for themselves.

So here's the question. If Mr Trudeau can afford to send our tax dollars offshore where it will undoubtedly be funnelled into the pockets of despots, tyrants and corrupt gov'ts why can't he do what he promised for Native Canadians minus the giving of money to the corrupt leaders who have proven in the past that they couldn't give a shit about their own people?

[fifeboy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Unlike some people most of us just don't want to see our tax dollars being used to enrich the corrupt leadership of these Bannock Republics which, is likely why the Conservatives enacted the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act and why Trudeau and his corrupt Liberals immediately rescinded it.

And speaking of corrupt leadership that rescinding the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act has allowed to flourish, how about this gentleman...,

You can’t curb crime and corruption until you end poverty and squalor. That’s as true for white people at any point in history as it is for FN people or people in the Third World Countries. YOUR ancestors were probably corrupt criminals, or tolerated living amongst them until fairly recently when they had the opportunity to move out of poverty.

Canada, the US and Europe had blatant political corruption and crime-filled slums no different from what people allege happens on FN Reserves and that didn’t change until the “social engineering” of the Great Depression and post-WW2 created a large middle class and general prosperity for the first time. Why would you expect FN to be any different?

And besides clean drinking water shouldn’t be conditional. The PEOPLE of a community deserve clean water regardless of whether their political leaders are corrupt or not. It’s outrageous that anyone would think otherwise and curious that this only seems to apply to FN. I didn’t hear anyone say we should withhold aid from Fort Macmurray if their mayor is rude to the press or caught up in some scandal, that rule only seems to apply to FN I guess.

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Unlike some people most of us just don't want to see our tax dollars being used to enrich the corrupt leadership of these Bannock Republics which, is likely why the Conservatives enacted the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act and why Trudeau and his corrupt Liberals immediately rescinded it.

And speaking of corrupt leadership that rescinding the First Nations Accountability and Transparency Act has allowed to flourish, how about this gentleman...,

You can’t curb crime and corruption until you end poverty and squalor. That’s as true for white people at any point in history as it is for FN people or people in the Third World Countries. YOUR ancestors were probably corrupt criminals, or tolerated living amongst them until fairly recently when they had the opportunity to move out of poverty.

Canada, the US and Europe had blatant political corruption and crime-filled slums no different from what people allege happens on FN Reserves and that didn’t change until the “social engineering” of the Great Depression and post-WW2 created a large middle class and general prosperity for the first time. Why would you expect FN to be any different?

And besides clean drinking water shouldn’t be conditional. The PEOPLE of a community deserve clean water regardless of whether their political leaders are corrupt or not. It’s outrageous that anyone would think otherwise and curious that this only seems to apply to FN. I didn’t hear anyone say we should withhold aid from Fort Macmurray if their mayor is rude to the press or caught up in some scandal, that rule only seems to apply to FN I guess.

So, could you show me where in Canada a slum is being run by an individual or individuals who are garnering vast amounts of our tax dollars for themselves while watching the residents of their ghetto slowly sink into even worse poverty, addiction and homelessness?

We cleaned up crap like that over a century ago by stopping the funding of leaders who did that or putting them in jail. So, now when you think about it the only corrupt powe people we have now are our politicians and for some reason alot of the Native Band Councils and Chiefs.


Although, I do agree that clean drinking water shouldn't be conditional especially when as a leader you campaign on it. Trudeau's purposely underfunded the Natives water issues by billions while promising away vast amounts of money, 9 billion to be exact to places like sub Saharan Africa and it has nothing to do with crime other than the fact that there are some people on the reserve who'd be more than happy to take the money for clean water for themselves.

So here's the question. If Mr Trudeau can afford to send our tax dollars offshore where it will undoubtedly be funnelled into the pockets of despots, tyrants and corrupt gov'ts why can't he do what he promised for Native Canadians minus the giving of money to the corrupt leaders who have proven in the past that they couldn't give a shit about their own people?

1) we didn’t end corruption “over a century ago” and we didn’t do it simply by locking up all the criminals. We ended corruption gradually over several decades into the twentieth century with “social engineering” programs that created a middle class and moved the majority of society out of poverty. This resulted in an educated and engaged population who began to demand more from their leaders while at the same time becoming a new source of talent for a professional public service.

2) The conservatives newfound obsession with foreign aid is puzzling. There’s nothing new here, even conservatives and Republicans foreign aid and have for decades if not over a century. Besides the amount of foreign aid we give is a tiny part of the budget. It’s 1.8% of the federal budget, ok? 1.8%. Already Less than what is spent on First Nations. So Stop pretending that “if only” we didn’t give foreign aid we could afford so many other things, it’s like saying if only you hadn’t bought a chocolate bar you could afford a bigger house. I don’t know what right-wing source has been feeding you guys that line but suddenly you all seem to be saying this same ridiculous thing.

[Martin15]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stop with this “but the veterans” bullshit routine. It’s not either-or situation. Whatever shortcomings there may be in veterans benefits has nothing to do with foreign aid or First Nations anything else.

Spoken like a real socialist.

Enough money for everything, let's just steal it from anyone who has a job !





Except for the veterans, because they are asking for more than we can give.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stop with this “but the veterans” bullshit routine. It’s not either-or situation. Whatever shortcomings there may be in veterans benefits has nothing to do with foreign aid or First Nations anything else.

Canada has a piece of the third world right within our borders. How about we do something about fixing OUR part of the third world instead of trying to fix everyone else's instead. We know Groper won't only because it won't play big in the international limelight. It's a lot easier to virtue signal and "help" the rest of the third world than it is to admit you have some of that third world in your own supposedly 1st world country and doing something to try and fix it.

That goes for EVERY PM that has let this bullshit go on WAY too long.

[stratos]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

$1:

So now we’re supposed to believe you want the federal government to provide clean drinking water to First Nations? The conservatives on this site have a LONG history of opposing giving the FN anything, including water.

So now this broken promise by Trudeau, pointed out by FN protestors who the promise was made to, is the fault of Conservatives.

That is liberal logic at it's best right there.

What broken promise? The promise was to end the 105 existing boil water advisories by 2021. So far they’ve only ended 35 which is still far more than any other government in history has done or even pledged to do. Will he het the others completed in the next 2 years? Maybe, maybe not But it’s not like the Indian-hating conservatives would have done any better.

Nice dodge but not good enough. IF what your saying is true why did he run? He could have talked to the FN's protesters who are complaining. Instead he ran. Once again your attempt to blame conservatives on a left wing promise not coming through or not happening fast enough is just a dodge on your part. The FN's, at least this group, is upset with the left and you can't stand it. Thus the shifting of blame.

[Thanos]

The hypocrisy is wildly hilarious. Trudeau, more than all they other previous PM's combined, has done more to give the Natives the status of Sacred Victims. Not only are their complaints to be the highest priority over all other issues, but even questioning the how & whys of their situation, or if the Native leaders themselves bear any responsibility for it, is now something to be seen only as horribly racist. Trudeau effectively ran away and dodged one of the new holy Stations of the Cross that he himself created and imposed on the entire country. Looks more and more each day that Trudeau's just like Trump in mentality - a convention-flouting narcissist that has no intention at all of ever living by the standards that his political agenda dictates everyone else must live by.

[BeaverFever]

Martin15 Martin15:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stop with this “but the veterans” bullshit routine. It’s not either-or situation. Whatever shortcomings there may be in veterans benefits has nothing to do with foreign aid or First Nations anything else.

Spoken like a real socialist.

Enough money for everything, let's just steal it from anyone who has a job !

First world countries cost money, deal with it. It’s not “stealing “ to keep it a furst world country. There are plenty of tax-free third world shitholes that would be paradise for conservatives who think like you

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stop with this “but the veterans” bullshit routine. It’s not either-or situation. Whatever shortcomings there may be in veterans benefits has nothing to do with foreign aid or First Nations anything else.

Canada has a piece of the third world right within our borders. How about we do something about fixing OUR part of the third world instead of trying to fix everyone else's instead. We know Groper won't only because it won't play big in the international limelight. It's a lot easier to virtue signal and "help" the rest of the third world than it is to admit you have some of that third world in your own supposedly 1st world country and doing something to try and fix it.

That goes for EVERY PM that has let this bullshit go on WAY too long.

What are you talking ab? Half the time you people complain that he’s helping the FN too much. He’s already done more for FN than just about any other PM in living memory, which admittedly isn’t saying much given how little past PMs have done but he’s still in his first term.

And again you never did answer me why you think Trudeau is “actually” Groper but not Trump who’s just “merely accused”. Will you Explain yourself this time or run away again?

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

Nice dodge but not good enough. IF what your saying is true why did he run? He could have talked to the FN's protesters who are complaining. Instead he ran. Once again your attempt to blame conservatives on a left wing promise not coming through or not happening fast enough is just a dodge on your part. The FN's, at least this group, is upset with the left and you can't stand it. Thus the shifting of blame.

What am I blaming conservatives for? I just think it’s hypocritical for the perpetually Indian-hating right who shrieks every time any aid is given to FN communities to pretend they’re somehow sympathetic with these FN, especially since Trudeau has done more to adress the issue than anyone in living memory.

Of course when ambushed by protesters in the middle of an event he did not engage. No politician would. Aside from the practical concerns over security and the fact that he’s scheduled to be doing something else at that particular moment , the ones who do try to stop and talk to protesters usually end up damaging themselves. The protester ambush is a scene controlled by the protesters who are there to scream, shout down and humiliate their target on live tv, not to have calm dialogue and unlike the ambushed politician, the protesters prepared ahead of time, brushed up their talking points slogans etc.

[BeaverFever]

CORRECTION

I grossly UNDERREPORTED the number of drinking water advisories already solved by the Trudeau government. As of month end July 2019, 87 have be solved, 56 remain. Target date for completion is March 2021.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

CORRECTION

I grossly UNDERREPORTED the number of drinking water advisories already solved by the Trudeau government. As of month end July 2019, 87 have be solved, 56 remain. Target date for completion is March 2021.

$1:

Data published on Indigenous Services Canada’s website show that 78 advisories have been rescinded since November, 2015. Most were resolved through repairing or replacing failed water-treatment plants, wells, distribution systems or other infrastructure. A handful were eliminated through improved water-quality monitoring and sampling, and a few more by connecting communities to systems in nearby municipalities. Meanwhile, more than 30 new advisories have stretched on for longer than one year; over all, 62 long-term advisories remain outstanding today.

But other federal data suggest the condition of First Nations water systems hasn’t changed much. Indigenous Services Canada uses a database called the Integrated Capital Management System (ICMS) to assess the risk that water systems present to the people they serve. Annual inspections assess each system’s design, how well it’s being operated and maintained, record keeping, the operators' training and the quality of source water; systems are then scored between 1 (presenting very low risk of producing unsafe water) and 10 (extreme risk).

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -reserves/

So, apparently they fixed the issues that didn't cost alot and left the ones that did.

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

CORRECTION

I grossly UNDERREPORTED the number of drinking water advisories already solved by the Trudeau government. As of month end July 2019, 87 have be solved, 56 remain. Target date for completion is March 2021.

$1:

Data published on Indigenous Services Canada’s website show that 78 advisories have been rescinded since November, 2015. Most were resolved through repairing or replacing failed water-treatment plants, wells, distribution systems or other infrastructure. A handful were eliminated through improved water-quality monitoring and sampling, and a few more by connecting communities to systems in nearby municipalities. Meanwhile, more than 30 new advisories have stretched on for longer than one year; over all, 62 long-term advisories remain outstanding today.

But other federal data suggest the condition of First Nations water systems hasn’t changed much. Indigenous Services Canada uses a database called the Integrated Capital Management System (ICMS) to assess the risk that water systems present to the people they serve. Annual inspections assess each system’s design, how well it’s being operated and maintained, record keeping, the operators' training and the quality of source water; systems are then scored between 1 (presenting very low risk of producing unsafe water) and 10 (extreme risk).

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -reserves/

So, apparently they fixed the issues that didn't cost alot and left the ones that did.

Oh the desperation!

Well in case you haven’t noticed it’s not the year 2021 yet so I don’t know why you’re so upset that they’re not finished 2 years ahead of schedule. But the fact the numbers in the article you just posted from JANUARY are already out of date proves they’re making progress doesn’t it?

[llama66]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

Nice dodge but not good enough. IF what your saying is true why did he run? He could have talked to the FN's protesters who are complaining. Instead he ran. Once again your attempt to blame conservatives on a left wing promise not coming through or not happening fast enough is just a dodge on your part. The FN's, at least this group, is upset with the left and you can't stand it. Thus the shifting of blame.

What am I blaming conservatives for? I just think it’s hypocritical for the perpetually Indian-hating right who shrieks every time any aid is given to FN communities to pretend they’re somehow sympathetic with these FN, especially since Trudeau has done more to adress the issue than anyone in living memory.

Of course when ambushed by protesters in the middle of an event he did not engage. No politician would. Aside from the practical concerns over security and the fact that he’s scheduled to be doing something else at that particular moment , the ones who do try to stop and talk to protesters usually end up damaging themselves. The protester ambush is a scene controlled by the protesters who are there to scream, shout down and humiliate their target on live tv, not to have calm dialogue and unlike the ambushed politician, the protesters prepared ahead of time, brushed up their talking points slogans etc.

Has he though? or has he merely just paid enough lip service to appear to care? I think all this man has done is stoke the fires of discord between the natives and non-natives in this country. If he wanted to correct the accumulated mistakes of past governments, he'd repeal the Indian Act, re-designate the Reserves as Special Municipalities; thus ensuring sustained Federal and Provincial funding, effectively ending the apartheid that has defined the First Nation's and the Crown's relationship for the past 152 years.

But people get rich under the current system. The Chiefs and their council's can pilfer federal monies for themselves under the current system. They wouldn't be able to do this without the IA, nor would they be able to cry 'victim'.

The only way to atone for the past is to scrap that act.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

CORRECTION

I grossly UNDERREPORTED the number of drinking water advisories already solved by the Trudeau government. As of month end July 2019, 87 have be solved, 56 remain. Target date for completion is March 2021.

$1:

Data published on Indigenous Services Canada’s website show that 78 advisories have been rescinded since November, 2015. Most were resolved through repairing or replacing failed water-treatment plants, wells, distribution systems or other infrastructure. A handful were eliminated through improved water-quality monitoring and sampling, and a few more by connecting communities to systems in nearby municipalities. Meanwhile, more than 30 new advisories have stretched on for longer than one year; over all, 62 long-term advisories remain outstanding today.

But other federal data suggest the condition of First Nations water systems hasn’t changed much. Indigenous Services Canada uses a database called the Integrated Capital Management System (ICMS) to assess the risk that water systems present to the people they serve. Annual inspections assess each system’s design, how well it’s being operated and maintained, record keeping, the operators' training and the quality of source water; systems are then scored between 1 (presenting very low risk of producing unsafe water) and 10 (extreme risk).

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -reserves/

So, apparently they fixed the issues that didn't cost alot and left the ones that did.

Oh the desperation!

Well in case you haven’t noticed it’s not the year 2021 yet so I don’t know why you’re so upset that they’re not finished 2 years ahead of schedule. But the fact the numbers in the article you just posted from JANUARY are already out of date proves they’re making progress doesn’t it?

Not desperation, fact.

Trudeau's quick fix of the easy native water issues is like re painting your car when the engine is blown. It makes the car look good but it's still not worth much.

But I will give him credit. He's moving in the right direction albeit at a snails pace. So, to finish what he promised by 2021 at this current pace will mean he'd have to be re elected at least 5 more times.

But TBH I'm not really pissed off, I'm just amazed at his propaganda machine making claims of real progress and success when he's taken the cheap way out rather than tackling the costly fixes. I wonder how he'll handle the 30 new problems if he can't fix the other more costly ones before his mandate is over?

I know, I know, Rome wasn't built in a day but, if you can give 9 billion dollars to Sub Saharan Africa surely you could find a couple of hundred million to keep your word and fix the Natives problems, alot more quickly than he is.

But, now we apparently have to wait till 2021 to see any real results which is odd considering that he might not be the PM or at best he might have a minority gov't.