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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:16 pm
 


I was thinking about the picture on the previous page.

It refers to the situation in Europe, of course.

But Trudeau and our Immigration minister, (best be in your safe space if you click this spoiler, Fifey) Ahmed Hussen seem to want to raise us to Merkel levels of almost open borders.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:17 pm
 


If you were thinking you wouldn't be posting such racist garbage.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:45 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:

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The figures were announced Wednesday as part of government’s updated multi-year immigration levels plan, which covers the next three years. The target rises annually from 310,000 this year, counting all classes of new arrivals.


https://globalnews.ca/news/4616768/cana ... tion-2021/

(You'd best stay away from that link Fifey because they mention the name of our immigration minister. Don't want you getting the vapors.)

But anyway Boots did you notice the number increases to 310,000. But yes they do say they won't reach 350,000 until 2021.


Whatever - 310,000/year is still less than 1% immigration. In the years before World War 1 and after World War 2, immigration vastly exceeded 1%.



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New permanent residents are just half the equation. The Trudeau government also plans to boost the number of temporary foreign workers to 250,000 per year.


Note the red text...about the only people who should worry about this category are 16-20 year olds worried they are going to lose out on those sweet McJobs the TFWs will do.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:17 pm
 


Whatever...

310,000 over three years is still almost a million, which still comes close to 10 million over 30 years which is still close to a third of the current population by 2050. Which is what I originally claimed and you wanted to niggle at with technicality.

And if you add "Temporary" workers that will turn out not to be temporary and illegal border jumpers continuing to flood in who they claim they'll send back but won't it will most likely surpass estimates.

In fact, my rule of thumb is always if the government gives you an estimate and you don't like it but you can tolerate it, double it. It's worked for me, so far.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:49 pm
 


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350,000 a year is over 1 million in 3 years. About 10 million around 2050. Or close to a third of the current population.

That's with the birth rate of the native population diminishing while the birth rates of the major immigrant demographics more than doubles it. So it would most likely be even higher.

Tell us again why we shouldn't worry about what Canada will look like in 2050 but we need to worry about the nice weather we might be having after a 150 years of what you currently want us to call "climate change."


And? It's 250,000 a year now, which means in four years it IS a million people.


Just trying to show you what happens at the levels the Liberals want to move to. Not crazy about the current levels either if you want to know the truth.

But if you want to get technical the Immigration minister (Fifey tells me I can't tell you who that is because he's originally from Somalia, or something) explains in a Global piece:

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The figures were announced Wednesday as part of government’s updated multi-year immigration levels plan, which covers the next three years. The target rises annually from 310,000 this year, counting all classes of new arrivals.


https://globalnews.ca/news/4616768/cana ... tion-2021/

(You'd best stay away from that link Fifey because they mention the name of our immigration minister. Don't want you getting the vapors.)

But anyway Boots did you notice the number increases to 310,000. But yes they do say they won't reach 350,000 until 2021.

Did you notice this in the OP article though?

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New permanent residents are just half the equation. The Trudeau government also plans to boost the number of temporary foreign workers to 250,000 per year.

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Oh my Goodness... ya mean we're letting coloureds into Canada, gracious, it's so good you told us, this naughtiness has got to stop!

Actually, woffy, as you know, I drive a school bus. This year I have been assigned a new route and about 40% of the kids are new Canadians. Looking over what I've got in the seats I would say the top pic is more representative of who is coming in. Not a single person of African origin in the lot. Sorry for your fail.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
I was thinking about the picture on the previous page.

It refers to the situation in Europe, of course.

But Trudeau and our Immigration minister, (best be in your safe space if you click this spoiler, Fifey) Ahmed Hussen seem to want to raise us to Merkel levels of almost open borders.

Actually woofers, I am in my safe place, I just wish you had one too!


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One of my favourite orderlies at the hospital was a Moroccan born male... glad I had him while I was there. :D

Every day he asked me how I was feeling and I would come up with something to make him laugh. My last answer was "like a 10 camel Moroccan caravan used my chest as a speed-bump".


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:09 pm
 


Refugees get to vote eh?

You know the mods want everyone to be civil and not react to people who can only post endless utter shit.
Troll


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:04 pm
 


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who knew hod dlie go here, cpyew dare, seedy dare, all dun me sweep now

I'm sorry, I can't figure out what exactly you are saying here...


"Who knew [hoodie?] went there, copier there, sit there, all done I will go to sleep now."*

He's making fun of people cleaning the business who have thick accents.

*I think. Pretty sure though.


Come on, a little effort guys. Suppose some of you ex Navy types can't find the
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:21 pm
 


herbie wrote:
Refugees get to vote eh?

You know the mods want everyone to be civil and not react to people who can only post endless utter shit.
Troll


Speaking of Trolls...maybe you want to crawl out from under your bridge and tell us what your point is if you have one.

I hope it's something better than you just saying "I don't like somebody, so I'm going to call him a name" because what were you hoping to get a mod to do about that?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:33 pm
 


Here's an example of what an actual point might sound like, herb:

I worry that this current immigration increase might be the start or a continuation of an incremental and eventual move to more open then one day open borders.

Apparently the UN is organizing something to facilitate something like that.

Oh and Fifey, our immigration minister, Ahmed Hussen is jumping on board with both feet.

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Few Canadians will have heard about something called the UN Global Compact for Migration. But they should expect to hear more about it soon, as more countries drop out of the deal and calls emerge for Canada to do the same.

The pact is one of those things that when you explain it in brief, it sounds like the stuff of conspiracy theories – a global plan by faceless bureaucrats to effectively control our borders. But that’s not too far off the mark once you read through the document Canada is expected to sign on to at an event in Morocco early next month.

It’s all about working together to, as they put it, “enhance international, regional and cross-regional border management cooperation.” The problem is borders are not international or regional. They’re national. And it’s this point that is driving countries to back out.

“Migration is not and cannot become a human right,” Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache said last week, explain why his country was stepping away from the deal. “It cannot be that someone receives a right to migration because of the climate or poverty.”

Australia, Croatia, Hungary, Poland and the United States have all backed out as well.


Yet there are many who do believe that borders should be flung open for migrants simply because they’ve come knocking. As my colleague Lorne Gunter explained in a recent column, there is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigration. But for advocates of open borders, if you simply mention this basic fact they’ll call you names.

It’s no wonder there are concerns about what the UN bureaucrats will do once this shop gets up and running. If all it amounted to were countries collectively chatting about their individual efforts and sharing best practices, that’d be one thing. But we all know it’s not going to stop there.

The text even slyly admits that ideological indoctrination is a part of the compact’s goals: “We also must provide all our citizens with access to objective, evidence-based, clear information about the benefits and challenges of migration, with a view to dispelling misleading narratives that generate negative perceptions of migrants.”

No doubt that would roll out in much the same way the Trudeau Liberals chastised Canadians for correctly referring to our Roxham Road snafu as “illegal” border crossings. Nobody here in Canada bought it.

Speaking of the Liberals, a petition has emerged at Canada’s e-petition website calling on the government to not sign the document. “Polls have consistently shown the majority of Canadians reject illegal border crossing and subordination of our citizens’ needs to those of illegal aliens,” reads E-1906, put together by an Ontario resident and sponsored by Maxime Bernier.


Don’t expect the Liberals to follow suit with Austria though. And not just because Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has openly Tweeted about his affinity for lax borders.

Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen actually co-authored an op-ed with Jean-Nicolas Beuze, the Canada rep for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, singing the praises of the deal.

To be fair, it’s a more honest piece of work than the actual compact itself. It outright admits that “member states and partners will thus hold each other more accountable on their promises to deliver results for refugees and their hosts” (as in, push countries to do things they themselves may not want) and calls on them “to contribute and to share responsibilities in a fairer manner” (as in, take in more refugees and offer up more cash than they planned).

Here’s the big problem with all of this.

Canadian public opinion was much more supportive of immigration and refugees prior to Trudeau’s recent blunders on the issue. Who would’ve thought that ramming the issue down people’s throats makes them less inclined to support it?

For decades, we’ve happily admitted tens of thousands of people with few complaints. Signing the UN compact won’t make these concerns go away. It’s more likely to make them worse.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... tands-firm


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:54 am
 


herbie wrote:

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I know I'll probably be sorry but I've just got to ask. What the fuck is 'men stimsta wow'?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:11 am
 


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Why do you think I don't?

The left believes they can't finance social programs without increasing the population. Why do you think I wouldn't know they think that? They won't shut up about it.

Now let's ask ourselves if that's going to work with the Trudeau/Merkel model.

With that you have ever increasing enclaves of cultures that failed where they came from then they bring them here to fail but with our financing. The strain on social programs becomes greater not less.

That's one of the things the regressive left refuses to get no matter how many times you tell them. People aren't complaining about immigration. They're complaining about thoughtless or illegal immigration.

And massive thoughtless and illegal immigration beyond a country's ability to assimilate it is beyond stupid. It's suicidal.



Listen to your own half-baked conspiracy: immigration is part of a grand conspiracy to fund social programs. But then in the same breath you say the immigrants ate coming to used the social programs. Which is it, are they coming here to pay for them or coming here to use them?

Then you say you’re only complaining about illegal immigration not legal immigrantion but this thread and your whole rant is about the government’s plans to bring in immigrants- i.e. legal immigration If the government is bringing in the immigrants then ny definition they’re not illegal immigrants, Einstein. The immigration target number does not include refugees or illegal immigrants- I mean how could there be a government target for illegal immigrants?


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The immigration target number does not include refugees or illegal immigrants- I mean how could there be a government target for illegal immigrants?


That is the crux of the right's revulsion to immigration. All immigration should be illegal.

What they never remember is that GDP is a factor of both Productivity and Labour. So if there is no one to do the work, GDP will fall. If the work gets done by robots, there is no one paying the income taxes for that job, and GDP will fall.

Unless Canadians, and western countries in general make more babies, the only way to increase population is through immigration. And Canada still take in more immigrants from Europe and Asia than from Africa, by a wide margin.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:54 am
 


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The immigration target number does not include refugees or illegal immigrants- I mean how could there be a government target for illegal immigrants?


That is the crux of the right's revulsion to immigration. All immigration should be illegal.

What they never remember is that GDP is a factor of both Productivity and Labour. So if there is no one to do the work, GDP will fall. If the work gets done by robots, there is no one paying the income taxes for that job, and GDP will fall.

Unless Canadians, and western countries in general make more babies, the only way to increase population is through immigration. And Canada still take in more immigrants from Europe and Asia than from Africa, by a wide margin.


"One year after the first of 35,000 Syrian refugees landed in Canada, only half of all adults — approximately 9,000 individuals — have found work."

https://globalnews.ca/news/3119278/half ... -liberals/

So who's paying for the other half?

And again, we're not talking about immigration as a policy. We're talking about mismanaged, untenable immigration. We're not talking about immigration where it works. We're talking about it where it doesn't.

Continued increases in badly managed immigration won't work.


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