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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:54 am
 


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American Indians and their children did not become citizens until Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. There would have been no need to pass such legislation if the 14th Amendment extended citizenship to every person born in America, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, and no matter who their parents are.


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That's because the natives at the time were not considered to be under U.S. jurisdiction, because of their tribal governments, living on reserves, and not paying taxes. The were not subject to many of the laws of the United States, which is exactly the point I've made earlier in this thread. Thanks for supporting me. This doesn't apply to the current climate.

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Indeed. And President Trump is the Constitutional Executive of that same government and Congress is the Constitutionally delegated authority that issues laws that inherit authority from the Amendments.
Wrong again. Article 1 of your constitution enumerates the powers of congress. It specifically states in section 8 clause 4 "To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;"
It did so in 1952 with the U.S. Code. "The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;"

Which I've already demonstrated your Federal Code of Regulations defines what "subject to the jurisdiction" is.

Finally, a case previously ruled on that specific phrase, by the USSC.

In Plyler v Doe, the USSC rejected that the claim that illegal immigrants are not within the jurisdiction of the US, finding that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident immigrants whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident immigrants whose entry was unlawful." Even the dissenting Justices stated "the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to immigrants who, after their illegal entry into this country, are indeed physically 'within the jurisdiction' of a state." Which is exactly what I said earlier in this thread. Once within the borders of the U.S., you are subject to it's jurisdiction.

Another point, though less strong, is in INS v. RIOS-PINEDA, the courts judgement repeatedly refers to illegal immigrant's children who were born in the U.S. as citizens. The court sees them as citizens in pretty plain english throughout the ruling.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:25 am
 


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That's because the natives at the time were not considered to be under U.S. jurisdiction, because of their tribal governments, living on reserves,


Indians not under US jurisdiction, but living on reserves........organized by the US government.

Sorry, we both know that makes no sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:27 am
 


In 1868, under the 14th Amendment, all persons

born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" were declared citizens. However, the jurisdiction requirement was interpreted to exclude most Native Americans, and in 1870, the Senate Judiciary committee further clarified the matter: "the 14th amendment to the Constitution has no effect whatever upon the status of the Indian tribes within the limits of the United States.[1]


So, the 14th is not a blanket cover.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:48 am
 


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That's because the natives at the time were not considered to be under U.S. jurisdiction, because of their tribal governments, living on reserves,


Indians not under US jurisdiction, but living on reserves........organized by the US government.

Sorry, we both know that makes no sense.

Did they pay tax? Were they governed by any entity in the United States? They were considered a separate "nation" within the United States border. They had legal jurisdiction over their own lands and their own people. So, at the time, it was interpreted that they were not under jurisdiction of the united states.

How about the Natives that had relinquished tribal connections and lived among the rest of the current society? Did they get citizenship? Many did, so it didn't exclude all natives, just those living within tribal communities that self-governed.

Again, not applicable here, not after the 1952 U.S. Code statement from Congress.


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The Trump Administration Flunked Its Math Homework

The administration’s clean-cars rollback is riddled with errors. In one case, it forgot to divide by four. In another, it accidentally deleted 700 billion miles of driving.

One of the White House’s most consequential environmental rollbacks may be in self-inflicted legal danger.

In trying to freeze gas-mileage rules for new cars and trucks, Trump officials have hit an unusually damaging snag: They seem to have messed up their math homework.

The Trump administration’s official case for repealing car fuel-economy rules is riddled with calculation mistakes, indefensible assumptions, and broken computer models, according to economists, environmental groups, and a major automaker. The errors may seriously endanger the rule, hampering the White House’s ability to prove the proposal’s benefits exceed its costs and raising questions about whether it can survive an almost inevitable court challenge.

The mistakes range in scope from the comical to the bizarre, from the obviously accidental to the how-did-they-miss-that. In one case, federal employees have forgotten to divide a crucial figure by four. In another, officials have assumed that raising the cost of cars will lead more people to buy them, a violation of the principle of supply and demand. In a third case, the proposal asserts that freezing fuel-economy standards for new cars will lead the owners of old cars to drive their vehicles less.

Some of the most glaring errors described in this article were detected by EPA staff before the proposal’s publication. Others were affirmed in recent public comments from Honda, a major automaker. The Atlantic also confirmed some alleged errors with economists who were not involved in their discovery, who described them as “incontrovertible.”

Taken together, the errors artificially lower the rollback’s costs and boost its safety benefits, experts say. Every single error so far identified appears to tilt the analysis in Trump’s favor.

“There’s a systematic bias in all of these to inflate the crash fatalities [under the Obama-era rules]. We have not yet found any mistakes that work in the other direction,” says Kenneth Gillingham, an economics professor at Yale and a former senior economist in the Obama administration.

...The mistakes are not the only problem for the Trump proposal. On Friday, Honda and General Motors broke ranks with other automakers and signaled unease about the rollback, with Honda openly opposing it. The car industry had previously stood united in supporting the Trump administration.

But it’s the math errors, and not the loss of corporate support, that could prove most damaging long-term for the rollback. Jonathan Adler, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University and a conservative commentator, told me that simple errors can imperil a regulation in court.

Read: The car industry squirms, as it gets what it asked for

The errors that appear to exist in the Trump proposal are “the kind of thing that an agency would clearly be under a legal obligation to address, and what I think any reviewing judge would raise an eyebrow about,” he said. “The easiest way to make a court pay attention is to raise this sort of question.”

The rollback’s fate will hinge on how the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Transportation, the federal agencies overseeing the rollback, respond to the errors and fix them, he said.

But this may prove difficult. In some cases, the mistakes are so large—and so central to the rule’s legal justification—that remedying them may destabilize the entire argument for the proposal. Public documents also make it clear that the Trump administration knew about some of the errors before the rollback was published.

Neither the EPA nor the Department of Transportation responded to a request for comment....


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... NzA1NjkyS0

I guess we’re lucky that the Trump administration’s stunning and unprecedented incompetence helps stave off at least some of their stunning and unprecedented evil.


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It's not 'racist' when it's true.


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It’s not true that the criminal has anything in common with the caravan. The only thing they have in common is race. Ergo comparing the caravaners with the cop killer is racist


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Photos of Idaho school teachers dressed as a border wall and Mexican stereotypes are going viral online. Middleton School District staff is under fire for their offensive costumes, and the photos have prompted an investigation by the school district, CBS Boise affiliate KBOI reports.

Several photos of teachers' Halloween costumes were shared on the Middleton School District Facebook page. One photo showed six teachers behind fake brick walls, wearing patriotic outfits, with President Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan written across the wall. Another photo showed teachers in sombreros with fake mustaches and maracas. These photos have since been deleted from the school district's Facebook after many took offense to the outfits. KBOI obtained screenshots of the photos in question.

Superintendent Dr. Josh Middleton addressed the costumes in a Facebook Live video Friday. "Last night, a parent contacted me expressing concern of staff costumes worn here on Halloween," Middleton said. "I'm deeply troubled by the decision by our staff members to wear those costumes that are clearly insensitive and inappropriate ... We are better than this."


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:13 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Ergo comparing the caravaners with the cop killer is racist


Oh, well that settles it then and by this logic then you're the worst racist who's ever lived. You must be Hitler reborn. :roll:


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Ergo comparing the caravaners with the cop killer is racist


Oh, well that settles it then and by this logic then you're the worst racist who's ever lived. You must be Hitler reborn. :roll:


Huh???
Does what you wrote above make sense to you? Because it makes no sense to me.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
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Ergo comparing the caravaners with the cop killer is racist


Oh, well that settles it then and by this logic then you're the worst racist who's ever lived. You must be Hitler reborn. :roll:

It's already established that Trump is Hitler reborn.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:02 pm
 


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The day before the election ?

Oh I am sure that will make all the difference. :lol:

I hope they made sure they got paid first.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:53 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Ergo comparing the caravaners with the cop killer is racist


Oh, well that settles it then and by this logic then you're the worst racist who's ever lived. You must be Hitler reborn. :roll:


Huh???
Does what you wrote above make sense to you? Because it makes no sense to me.


Then you got my point.


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