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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:09 am
 


Trump doubles down on debunked Ukraine conspiracy theory

We have the president of the United States pushing Russian propaganda on the national news.

When did I enter the twilight zone??


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:14 am
 


Robair wrote:
When did I enter the twilight zone??


618 pages ago. ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 am
 


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:28 am
 


Still, shocking.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:50 am
 


Positive shock is still shock


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:22 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Still, shocking.



From 12v? :D


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:14 pm
 


PluggyRug wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
Still, shocking.



From 12v? :D

It's not the volts that shock you, it's the amps. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:41 pm
 


raydan wrote:
PluggyRug wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
Still, shocking.



From 12v? :D

It's not the volts that shock you, it's the amps. :wink:


Yes, but without sufficient voltage, not enough current. Average body resistance is 500 ohms but can be as high as 100k ohms. Feeling a shock from a 12v battery is very rare. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:48 pm
 


Trump essentially admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

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In a Friday interview on "Fox & Friends," President Donald Trump admitted to holding up military aid to pressure Ukraine's government to investigate a baseless conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 US election.

In other words, he acknowledged doing the very thing he could be impeached for and has repeatedly denied.

Trump referred to the conspiracy theory that Ukraine is hiding a mysterious Democratic National Committee "server" that contains incriminating evidence of Ukrainian interference and Democratic collusion. There is no evidence supporting this conspiracy theory — the former National Security Council official Fiona Hill testified this week that it was part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

"They have the server, right, from the DNC, Democratic National Committee," Trump said. "The FBI went in and they told them, get out of here, we're not giving it to you. They gave the server to CrowdStrike or whatever it's called, which is a country — which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI's never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"

The cohost Steve Doocy, appearing to anticipate the path Trump was going down, asked incredulously: "Are you sure they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?"

"Well, that's what the word is. That's what I asked, actually, in my phone call," he said, referring to his July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that's the focus of the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment inquiry.

Then, critically, the president added: "I mean, I asked it very point-blank, because we're looking for corruption. There's tremendous corruption. Why should we be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to countries when there's this kind of corruption?"

In less than a minute, Trump appeared to, for the first time, link the 2016 conspiracy theory to the vague "corruption" concern his allies have cited as rationale for his withholding the critical military aid to Ukraine.

This acknowledgment gets to the crux of the impeachment inquiry, which is focused on whether Trump abused his power by using his public office for private gain.

At the center of the inquiry is the July 25 phone call in which Trump repeatedly pressured Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter over Hunter's involvement with the Ukrainian natural-gas company Burisma Holdings. Trump also asked Zelensky to look into the conspiracy theory alleging Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election.

Since details of the call emerged in a whistleblower complaint, over a dozen witnesses have testified in the impeachment inquiry, saying the call was just one data point in a months-long campaign by Trump and his allies to strongarm Ukraine into publicly committing to launching the investigations Trump wanted in exchange for vital military aid and a White House meeting.

The campaign was spearheaded by Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has made statements about his efforts for months.

Several career national-security and foreign-service officers have testified that this "irregular" channel of Ukraine policy also consisted of others, including:

Gordon Sondland, the US's ambassador to the European Union.
Kurt Volker, the US's former special representative to Ukraine.
Rick Perry, the outgoing energy secretary.
Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff.
Trump's allies have trotted out a slew of defenses in the snowballing inquiry, but they've grown weaker in the face of overwhelming testimony from nonpartisan officials, many of whom spoke in defiance of the White House's direct orders.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-to-ukraine-military-aid-quid-pro-quo-tv-2019-11?utm_source=reddit.com

So the impeachment inquiry can go to a vote now right? Because this orange idiot just incriminated himself yet again on live TV.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:03 pm
 


PluggyRug wrote:
raydan wrote:
PluggyRug wrote:


From 12v? :D

It's not the volts that shock you, it's the amps. :wink:


Yes, but without sufficient voltage, not enough current. Average body resistance is 500 ohms but can be as high as 100k ohms. Feeling a shock from a 12v battery is very rare. :wink:


Unless you lick them like a 9v battery.

Not that I uuuhhh ever do that.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:05 pm
 


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So the impeachment inquiry can go to a vote now right? Because this orange idiot just incriminated himself yet again on live TV.


And yet, Republicans will call anyone who notices "Deranged", and somehow Trumps words are proof the Democrats are lying.

Just fascinating! Like a flat earther, I just want to sit and ask them questions till I figure out where their malfunction is.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:12 pm
 


Kind of like the time Frasier Crane tried to psychoanalyze Cliff Clavin by asking "what colour is the sky in your world?". :|


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Unless you lick them like a 9v battery.

Not that I uuuhhh ever do that.

In the old telephone Central Offices there were these things call the Horizontal Frame, where all the cable pairs in town were wired to the sharp pointy pins underneath. You had to wire things to the top side of those pins, and there were stacks of these several high and less than a foot apart. When a phone stops ringing it kicks back a short burst of high voltage, still have scars from working on them in hot sweaty times.
Used to bug the new guys "Aw shuddup wimp, it's only about 400 volts!"


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Pentagon chief fires top U.S. Navy official over SEAL controversy

U.S. Defence Secretary Mark Esper has fired the Navy's top official, ending a stunning clash between President Donald Trump and top military leadership over the fate of a SEAL accused of war crimes in Iraq.

Esper said on Sunday that he had lost confidence in U.S. Navy secretary Richard Spencer and alleged that Spencer proposed a deal with the White House behind his back to resolve the SEAL's case. Trump has championed the matter of Navy Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of an Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militant captive but convicted of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in 2017.

Spencer's firing was a dramatic turn in the fast-changing and politically charged controversy. It exposed fissures in Trump's relationship with the highest ranks of the U.S. military and raised questions about the appropriate role of a commander-in-chief in matters of military justice.

Gallagher was demoted from chief petty officer to a 1st class petty officer after his conviction by a military jury. Trump, however, restored Gallagher's rank this month.

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Spencer, speaking Saturday at an international security forum in Halifax said that he did not consider a tweet by Trump a formal order to stop the Navy review board.

"I need a formal order to act," Spencer said. He said of Trump's tweets, "I don't interpret them as a formal order."



https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pentagon- ... -1.5371908


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:37 am
 


Robair wrote:
Trump doubles down on debunked Ukraine conspiracy theory

We have the president of the United States pushing Russian propaganda on the national news.

When did I enter the twilight zone??



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At this point it seems very unlikely the 45th president will be removed from office. And he knows it.


IOW this whole shitshow is just meaningless kabuki theater. :roll:


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