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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:38 am
 


It is, and it shouldn't be. But it always has been.


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Streaker wrote:
naelch wrote:
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So the UN denouncing rape was a bad thing?!?


Is this question for me?

If yes, no of course.
If no, no of course.


Not for you in particular.

Just thought that all the bitching about the UN on this thread was a diversion from the issue at hand, namely that rape is widespread in time of war.



Not in modern western arnmies, only in the backwater mobs that make up the majority of the UN. You're now going to drag up some Anti-US example but, for the most part, US & Western forces deal with that far more harshly than civilian justice systems.

The bottom line is the UN may be speaking out against rape but their doing nothing to reduce it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:56 pm
 


This is Anti-Rape. it's alright people.

I think they just made it so people who rape while int he forces get a heavier slap from justice.

Technically using BioChemical weapons is a "War Tactic". Just becuase it's a War Tactic doesn't mean they are giving it the green light.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:40 pm
 


Rape as a "war tactic"? Hell ya, one million Russian soldiers can't be wrong.

Perhaps the statement they made, should have said, rape is a "war crime".

But whats in a word, since the UN has never been known for it's overwhelming intelligence and moral authority.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:14 pm
 


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If you are part of an allience, you can't say: "hey, I am not gonna pay, because that is not in my own interest." If you want that, get the hell out and do it all on your own...

Ya gotta love the US's arrogance ;-)

The UN isn't an alliance.


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Tricks wrote:
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If you are part of an allience, you can't say: "hey, I am not gonna pay, because that is not in my own interest." If you want that, get the hell out and do it all on your own...

Ya gotta love the US's arrogance ;-)

The UN isn't an alliance.


They made a commitment together. (better? ;-) or agreement... or whatever word you want to hang on it.)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:38 pm
 


ridenrain wrote:
Streaker wrote:
naelch wrote:
Is this question for me?

If yes, no of course.
If no, no of course.


Not for you in particular.

Just thought that all the bitching about the UN on this thread was a diversion from the issue at hand, namely that rape is widespread in time of war.



Not in modern western armies, only in the backwater mobs that make up the majority of the UN. You're now going to drag up some Anti-US example but, for the most part, US & Western forces deal with that far more harshly than civilian justice systems.

The bottom line is the UN may be speaking out against rape but their doing nothing to reduce it.


Sure, right now it's at its worst in Africa, but your viewing of American soldiers through rose-coloured glasses is ill-advised, given what we've seen in Iraq.

History has shown that where armies go, there will be rape.

Kudos to the UN for denouncing it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:14 pm
 


As usual, all the UN is doing is talking about it though.


Quote:
The U.N. Sex Scandal
From the January 3 / January 10, 2005 issue: Exploitation, abuse, and other humanitarian efforts.
by Joseph Loconte
01/03/2005, Volume 010, Issue 16

LAST MONTH A CLASSIFIED UNITED Nations report prompted Secretary General Kofi Annan to admit that U.N. peacekeepers and staff have sexually abused or exploited war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The worst of the 150 or so allegations of misconduct--some of them captured on videotape--include pedophilia, rape, and prostitution. While a U.N. investigation into the scandal continues, the organization has just suspended two more peacekeepers in neighboring Burundi over similar charges. The revelations come three years after another U.N. report found "widespread" evidence of sexual abuse of West African refugees.

"The issue with the U.N. is that peacekeeping operations unfortunately seem to be doing the same thing that other militaries do," Gita Sahgal of Amnesty International told the Christian Science Monitor. "Even the guardians have to be guarded." That's not far off the mark. Various U.N. reports and interviews with humanitarian groups suggest that international peacekeeping missions are creating a predatory sexual culture among vulnerable refugees--from relief workers who demand sexual favors in exchange for food to U.N. troops who rape women at gunpoint.

Allegations of sexual abuse or misconduct by U.N. staff stretch back at least a decade, to operations in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Guinea. A 2001 report, released by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and Save the Children, found that sexual violence against refugees in West Africa was endemic (though some of its findings were denied by a subsequent U.N. team). A year later a coalition of religious organizations sent a letter to Secretary of
State Colin Powell urging the United States to send more human rights monitors into Congo. The U.N. then introduced a "code of conduct" to help prevent future abuses, including prohibitions against sexual activity between staff and children and the exchange of money or food for sex.

It now appears, however, that little has changed on the ground. The U.N. Mission in Congo (MONUC) employs about 10,800 peacekeepers from 50 countries, in addition to many civilian staff. Yet there is no independent oversight of U.N. operations in its refugee camps. For that matter, none of the international agencies in the country has U.N. authority to protect the civil rights of internal refugees. Almost a year after the MONUC office in Kindu sent a memo in August 2003 to its headquarters in Kinshasa, detailing suspicions of sexual exploitation, the London Independent discovered action still hadn't been taken.

"We recognize that sexual exploitation and abuse is a problem in some missions," said Jane Holl Lute, a U.N. assistant secretary general, at a recent press conference. "It's obvious that the measures we've had in place have not been adequate." Relief organizations and human rights groups agree, describing as "urgent" the need to protect young girls from U.N. militia and staff. As Patrick Barbier, of Doctors Without Borders, told one newspaper: "It is clear that the necessary steps to protect the displaced population from violence and sexual exploitation have not been followed."

Indeed, the international operation in Bunia, home to about 16,000 refugees, threatens to become another monument to U.N. paralysis and failure. Investigators describe a "significant, widespread and ongoing" pattern of abuse at the camp--an astonishing conclusion given that many women are afraid to report sexual violence against them. At least one senior official in charge of security in Bunia is implicated in the scandal, and U.N. peacekeepers allegedly have threatened investigators with retaliation. According to the Economist, a U.N. probe is even considering the possibility that MONUC has been infiltrated by "organized pedophiles who recruit their friends."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 1zxelz.asp


You guys want us to leave Afghanistan because someone saw a rape and didn't immediately stop it but then you demand we keep going to these UN goat rodeos where the 3rd world soldiers play like it's club med.


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