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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:04 pm
 


8O Yow! 8O

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(Bloomberg) — U.S. forces killed scores of Russian contract soldiers in Syria last week in what may be the deadliest clash between citizens of the former foes since the Cold War, according to a U.S. official and three Russians familiar with the matter.

More than 200 mercenaries, mostly Russians fighting on behalf of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, died in a failed attack on a base and refinery held by U.S. and U.S.-backed forces in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region, two of the Russians said. The U.S. official put the death toll at about 100, with 200 to 300 injured.

The Russian assault may have been a rogue operation, underscoring the complexity of a conflict that started as a domestic crackdown only to morph into a proxy war involving Islamic extremists, stateless Kurds and regional powers Iran, Turkey and now Israel. Russia’s military said it had nothing to do with the attack and the U.S. military accepted the claim. U.S. Defence Secretary Jim Mattis called the whole thing “perplexing,” but provided no further details.

“Coalition officials were in regular communication with Russian counterparts before, during and after the thwarted, unprovoked attack,” U.S. Colonel Thomas F. Veale, a military spokesman, said in a statement. “Russian officials assured coalition officials they would not engage coalition forces in the vicinity.”

The offensive began about 8 kilometers (5 miles) east of the Euphrates River de-confliction line late on Feb. 7, when adversaries fired rounds and advanced in a “battalion-sized dismounted formation supported by artillery, tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems and mortars,” Veale said. No fatalities were reported on the coalition side and “enemy vehicles and personnel who turned around and headed back west were not targeted.”

The government in Damascus called the U.S. action “barbaric aggression” and a “war crime.”

The death toll from the incident, already about five times more than Russia’s official losses since it entered the war in 2015, is still rising, according to one mercenary commander. He said by phone on condition of anonymity that dozens of his wounded men are still being treated at military hospitals in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

Many of the Russians killed or injured were veterans of the Ukraine conflict, according to Alexander Ionov, the head of a Kremlin-funded organization that fosters ties to separatists who’s fought alongside pro-Assad forces in Syria. It’s not clear who was paying the soldiers of fortune, whether it was Russia directly, its allies in the war, Syria and Iran, or a third party.


In a word - good. If these bastards of Putin are the same kind of gangster Russian scum who've been murdering civilians and raping girls en masse in places like Chechnya, Crimea, the Donbass, and Syria too then good riddance to the fucking lot of them. Hopefully more of them do the stupid thing again and take another shot at the Americans just so they too can get burnt off the surface of the earth like they deserve. Not too many opportunities to say it anymore during the Trump interregnum so might as well enjoy it when I can, so here goes - USA! USA! USA! USA! :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:06 pm
 


R=UP

Sometimes bad things happen to bad people...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:23 pm
 


Mercenaries my ass. [but]

Given they fought in the Ukraine and weren't on the official books, it's obvious what's happening here. They're Russian soldiers plain and simple. The only reason they're being called mercenaries by both sides is to save face and avoid the inevitable glaring questions about why they were there in the first place which would lead to an even more uncomfortable relationship issue.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 01805.html

But good on the Americans for showing them that if you fuck with the bull you get the horns. This will disabuse Putin of any thoughts he had about the combat capabilities of his troops matching up with the Americans.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:36 pm
 


Yeah. I'm no war-ghoul that gets off on death, not even that of the enemy (most of the time anyway). But it is one of those massively entertaining "what if?" to contemplate. Like what would really happen if the Russians went up against the incredibly tough and battle-hardened American military today in a full-blown war scenario? There are major concerns now about the effectiveness and condition of American equipment considering the past sixteen years of non-stop deployment. And the US certainly wouldn't enjoy the air superiority against Russia the way they've had against ISIS, Al Qaeda, Saddam, or the Taliban. The men though and, more importantly, a Pentagon that's staffed top-to-bottom now with an experienced and intelligent officer corps that are totally professional at everything from pinpoint-accurate strikes to mass ground-and-pound battles? This is not World War Two where, for example, the Russians can manufacture ten thousand T-90 tanks in a year to wipe out the qualitative advantage of American armour and their individual tank crews. Same with air power where even superior numbers of modern Russian planes would not, in the end, successfully counter the experience advantages of the US Navy and Air Force flyers.

The Americans would take their lumps, that's for sure, maybe with a casualty toll worse than Vietnam. In the end though? I think the Russians would end up shredded and running away even worse than they did from the Germans in World War One.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:37 am
 


Looking for follow up on this but haven't found anything yet.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:49 am
 


Pics or it did not happen.

More Hollywood fake news.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:54 am
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
They're Russian soldiers plain and simple. The only reason they're being called mercenaries by both sides is to save face and avoid the inevitable glaring questions about why they were there in the first place which would lead to an even more uncomfortable relationship issue.


Speaking of glaring questions: Just what in FUCK are American forces doing in Syria? :idea:


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Speaking of glaring questions: Just what in FUCK are American forces doing in Syria? :idea:
--- clearing the land for a pipeline plus war crimes.
What else can American forces do??


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BartSimpson wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
They're Russian soldiers plain and simple. The only reason they're being called mercenaries by both sides is to save face and avoid the inevitable glaring questions about why they were there in the first place which would lead to an even more uncomfortable relationship issue.


Speaking of glaring questions: Just what in FUCK are American forces doing in Syria? :idea:





But they weren't soldiers they were (spoken in my best John Lovitz voice) ah, ah, ah, Contractors yeah............ that's it, they were contractors. :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:58 pm
 


CharlesAnthony wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Speaking of glaring questions: Just what in FUCK are American forces doing in Syria? :idea:
--- clearing the land for a pipeline plus war crimes.
What else can American forces do??


I thought you just said it didn't happen. But now you're saying it did, for a pipeline. Make up your mind on which one it is, tin-hat.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:36 pm
 


The US is there to stop the Russians, the Russians are there to stop the Americans, they are both ostensibly there for the civilians, they are both killing lots of civilians Just typical Cold War stuff. And the band played on.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:18 pm
 


Zipperfish wrote:
The US is there to stop the Russians, the Russians are there to stop the Americans, they are both ostensibly there for the civilians, they are both killing lots of civilians Just typical Cold War stuff. And the band played on.


The US was actually there first. And it wasn't to 'stop the Russians'.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/21159 ... ian-rebels


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:27 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
The US is there to stop the Russians, the Russians are there to stop the Americans, they are both ostensibly there for the civilians, they are both killing lots of civilians Just typical Cold War stuff. And the band played on.


The US was actually there first. And it wasn't to 'stop the Russians'.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/21159 ... ian-rebels


It was to contain Iran, the main problem with Iran being it is in the Russian sphere of influence.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:02 pm
 


The problem is that Assad was NOT allied with Iran.

The assholes that the US gave arms to were allied with Iran.


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Great write-up here on the situation in Syria with the Russian mercs allied with Assad. They're attacking the Kurdish separatists that are backed up by US special forces and US air power. Has fuck all to do with Iranian involvement in the area, aside from the nebulous connection of Iran's longtime alliance with the Assads. And there's no way that Putin isn't pulling the strings and giving the strategic orders to these mercs, up to and including green-lighting them towards probably shoot-outs with American personnel.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18 ... s-in-syria

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American forces in Syria, along with their local partners, have now weathered two separate attacks from troops fighting on behalf of dictator Bashar Al Assad, one of which almost certainly involved some number of Russian military personnel or contractors from a company called Wagner. Though the United States soundly defeated its opponents in both cases, the incidents could be another sign of increasingly worrisome tensions with Russia in Syria as the situation in the country careens toward a larger regional conflagration.

On Feb. 13, 2018, U.S. personnel called in a air strike, involving an MQ-9 Reaper drone, to destroy a T-72 tank that had been firing at them and members of the American-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the bulk of which are Kurdish fighters, on the eastern side of the Euphrates River near Syria’s strategic city of Deir ez-Zor.

Almost a week earlier, those same American troops had summoned a massive amount of air and artillery support to brush back approximately 500 pro-Assad fighters and members of Wagner armed with tanks and other heavy weapons who assaulted their positions. The SDF and their U.S. advisers are situated to the east of a formal de-confliction line that is supposed to separate United States and Russian military activities and, by extension, those of their allies, specifically to avoid these sorts of dangerous engagements that could escalate into a larger conflict. The first skirmish reportedly resulted in the deaths of dozens of Russian private military contractors, who often act as deniable stand-ins for the Kremlin’s own forces.

"According to preliminary information, we could be talking about the deaths of five people – presumably Russian citizens – as a result of an armed confrontation whose causes are being examined," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said during a routine briefing on Feb. 15, 2018, in what is perhaps most heavy caveated official statement to date on whether Russia was involved in the incidents in Syria or not. "There were not 400, not 200, not 1,000, and not 10."

The exact extent of Russia’s participation in the attacks remains a major question that could have significant ramifications for the overall situation in Syria. The United States, which has also sought to downplay the involvement of Russian personnel, official members of the military or otherwise, continually stresses that its own forces in the country and their local partners are only there to fight ISIS and not to take a stand in the broader civil war.

“It makes no sense, it does not appear to be anything coordinated by the Russians,” U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis told reporters on Feb. 13, 2018. “I think the Russians would've told us [if they were involved],” he had said on Feb. 8, 2018.

But there is a growing amount of evidence to challenge Mattis’ insistence that the Kremlin can only have been a neutral actor in the incidents. The most important detail is that the Russians who were involved were likely in the employ of a private military company called Wagner.

Members of the firm, which officially runs its operations out of Hong Kong because such businesses are illegal in Russia, has no publicly available contact information, and reportedly recruits among former military personnel from Russia and former Soviet republics through word of mouth, has appeared alongside pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine and with pro-Assad forces in Syria, including as part of a militia known as the “ISIS Hunters.” There are reports that it has sent forces to Libya and Sudan, two other countries where Russia also has significant geopolitical interests. The group appears to be a direct outgrowth of the nebulous "little green men" that Putin employed in 2014 to seize Ukraine's Crimea region.


Nothing new here at all. It's really just a continuation of the old Soviet policy of their "honchos" engaging American forces the same way Russian pilots flew the MIGs for North Korea and North Vietnam back in the 1950's and 60's. What's new is the recklessness in which Putin is allowing them to get in the faces of American ground forces. Combine this with the apprehension over the Trump admin's ties to Putin, in that American allies including the Kurds, cannot be 100% certain anymore for how long the US will be on their side, and this has huge numbers of dangerous unknowns hanging above it like an axe ready to drop on someone's neck.


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