[Yogi]

Realistically. What do you think a fitting punishment would be for this guy, and others who even though they know that they are infected with HIV, or any other disease for that matter, and continue to pass it on? Sure, strides have been made in treatment, but ultimately, AIDS is a slow painful death. This person, and again others, have ' sentenced others to death without benefit of trial'. Should society be required to do any different?
So we 'lock him up and throw away the key'. To what end? Are we going to rehabilitate him? Keep him in prison until he is so old that he could not possibly be a threat any longer? The cost, just medically speaking, would be prohibitive! Shouldn't the money be 'invested in a return' for society? We have seniors who have worked all their lives and paid into society and yet are burdened with high cost of prescription and other medical expenses. Shouldn't we be looking after their health and needs first, making their lives as comfortable as possible instead of pointlessly keeping a POS like this alive just so we can say that "we aren't barbaric"?

I, for one, have no qualms about 'appearing barbaric'! Scum like this have lost any right to compassion the first time they knowingly took the chance of spreading their disease!






Street 'hero' on HIV sex rap

Ex-hustler who helped others quit T.O.'s mean streets arrested in Nova Scotia

By ROB LAMBERTI, SUN MEDIA





TORONTO - Justus Patrick Zela came from a small Ontario town and worked the streets of the big smoke.

Then he got himself off the streets and helped other young men stop hustling. His life and work was highlighted on the CBC Radio documentary Boys' Town.

Now, Zela, also known as Dharma, Organic Farmer Guy and Farmer Guy, was released on bail Thursday after being charged with aggravated sexual assault for allegedly not telling a sexual partner he's been HIV-positive since 2003.

Hamilton Police sexual assault branch Det. Duncan McCulloch is urging anyone who had relations with Zela, who lived in Toronto until 2008, to get checked to determine if they had been exposed.

The man who filed the complaint with police has so far not shown signs he was exposed, McCulloch said.

The victim found out about the suspect's condition by "checking some websites and finding additional information about Justus," he said.

McCulloch stressed anyone who had intimate contact with the suspect to undergo medical tests.

"Go to a doctor. Let me make that absolutely clear," he said. "Get yourself checked first and if they want to make a complaint, I'll certainly be the fellow to do whatever it needs to do the investigation.

"If it's outside my jurisdiction, I'll get them to who they need to be," he said.

McCulloch can be reached at 905-540-5543.

"I believe it to be very serious," McCulloch said. "Anyone who may have had intimate contact with Justus could have been exposed to HIV and may not know it."

Police said Zela was arrested Monday in Tatmagouche, N.S., and was returned to Hamilton where he was charged with aggravated sexual assault and was released on bail Thursday.

One of his conditions is to notify sexual partners of his condition prior to any sexual contact, McCulloch said.

[dredscott]

We tell women t0 put a lock and key on the pananny. After he has infected one or two people, we cut off his dick and choke him with it.

[Yogi]

dredscott wrote:

We tell women t0 put a lock and key on the pananny. After he has infected one or two people, we cut off his dick and choke him with it.

I would like to stand the bastard against a brick wall! 'This' is CANADA. Such will never be the case. Hence, the use of the first word in my post!

[Brenda]

Women? Why only women?

[Brenda]

Anyway... I don't know if it is against the law to not tell your partner you have an STD... Sex is a 2-way street. If you could have been infected, you're as guilty as he is... USE A FUCKING CONDOM!!!

[martin14]

If he infected someone, shouldnt it be a murder charge ?

[Brenda]

martin14 wrote:

If he infected someone, shouldnt it be a murder charge ?

Is HIV a deathsentence? It can only be a murder charge if people have actually died. AND if you can prove without reasonable doubt it was HIM that killed him. I think you can never prove without reasonable doubt who gave you HIV. Defence will always claim promiscuity...

[DrJones]

a life sentence is appropriate, if there are multiple victims, to be sure. But in Canada that means parole eligibility after 7 years (unless it's murder.) So he'll be on parole for life and he can be sent back, but how well do they monitor that...

[Brenda]

DrJones wrote:

a life sentence is appropriate, if there are multiple victims, to be sure. But in Canada that means parole eligibility after 7 years (unless it's murder.) So he'll be on parole for life and he can be sent back, but how well do they monitor that...

On what grounds?

[DrJones]

Well if he's charged with aggravated sexual assault, and let's say there are multiple victims, then that's multiple counts of some serious criminal activity.

As I said, it doesn't mean he'll serve his entire life in jail... it just means he'll be on parole for his life. So if he really does rehabilitate himself then that's fine. But if he continues to lie to women, sleep with them, spread HIV, etc, we can put him back in prison.

And in there, he can't hurt any more victims.

Isn't that fair?

[Yogi]

I think that it would be realistic to sentence them to the rest of their lives in solitary confinement ( lest they should infect another prisoner) with the option that if they should so choose, they could be shown one last act of compassion!

[Brenda]

DrJones wrote:

Well if he's charged with aggravated sexual assault, and let's say there are multiple victims, then that's multiple counts of some serious criminal activity.

As I said, it doesn't mean he'll serve his entire life in jail... it just means he'll be on parole for his life. So if he really does rehabilitate himself then that's fine. But if he continues to lie to women, sleep with them, spread HIV, etc, we can put him back in prison.

And in there, he can't hurt any more victims.

Isn't that fair?

I wonder if he can be sentenced for aggravated sexual assault. It seems to me it was consentual sex.
And, can you prove HE infected the people that were infected? If any (lets hope none...)

And... why just women? It doesn't say anywhere it is about women...

[DrJones]

The reason he can be sentenced to aggravated sexual assault is because in order to have CONSENTUAL sex the parties have a DUTY TO DISCLOSE to each other if they have HIV (or other STDs.) This is the law dating back to a case called Currier from the Supreme Court of Canada.

So if he lied to these women, or even if he just "never brought it up", there is NO consent in law and he's guilty.

As for proving HE was the one who infected him... that's for the trial. If the women say they only slept with him during the time they get were infected, and you believe the women on that point, you can prove causation.

Isn't a trial fun!

[DrJones]

Oh and i agree it's not just about women... it's just typically about women in my experience... or at least the cops only usually charge men.

[Brenda]

DrJones wrote:

Oh and i agree it's not just about women... it's just typically about women in my experience... or at least the cops only usually charge men.

It was a man that filed the complaint

And, I didn't know you have the duty to disclose That makes it easier Thank you