[Donny_Brasco]

EyeBrock wrote:

Lemmy, "Give us the money and nothing will change. Don't give us the money and nothing will change, we'll just block more roads."

Ya, nothing has changed in the last 20/30/50/100 years...

Can you see beyond the nose on the front of your face or have your viewpoints made you go full retard?

[EyeBrock]

Us and them.

Until you guys think differently nothing will change.

[Lemmy]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Sort of...

its more about winning and being correct with your laws in your courts...

but we could win all we want, without the money its like winning paper/rock/scissors...

Yes, there is a way we can all win...we follow Section 15(1) LITERALLY. And that also means eliminating 15(2) and 25 from the Charter. Are "All men are created equal" or are they not? It's time we stopped kidding ourselves into believing that there is an "Answer (c)" to that question.

[Donny_Brasco]

Had we been treated as equals all along then I guess this issue would not exist.

Forgive me if I don't believe that somehow now you've figured out how to make promises and keep them.

[EyeBrock]

Oh spare me the equal crap. Irish have been treated as bad or worse for centuries. Do cry me a river for the shite my 'people' have endured.

I don't think a lot of first nations people are ready for the reality that the rest of Canada has to deal with. As in life.

The alternative is the the status quo. That's not looking too good for the aboriginals.

[PluggyRug]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

As a matter of fact your attitude is what pushes me to want to continue to turn the screws every single day.

I appreciate that rural white men are giving their lives for this country.

My people have given more than enough.

Cmon Donny "turn he screws" it was the evil white man who taught you how to use a screwdriver.

Anyways I agree that natives have fought and died with honour for Canada.

[Lemmy]

PluggyRug wrote:

Anyways I agree that natives have fought and died with honour for Canada.

[Lemmy]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Had we been treated as equals all along then I guess this issue would not exist.

Forgive me if I don't believe that somehow now you've figured out how to make promises and keep them.

But I wasn't there to do that. I can't/shouldn't have to apologize for what my ancestors did. I'm not their daddy. Neither should I have to live up to bargains I didn't make. And I have never made a promise I haven't kept.

[raydan]

Donny, exactly what are you doing to change things for the natives?
What are the goals today of the native people?

If you can change the situation of the native people today, that is, have an obtainable and sensible objectif, go for it and work for it.
If not, you won't get my support nor my sympathy.

What I see now, is whining, dwelling in the past, making trouble and hands out for money.
You're like the separatists here in Québec.

I know, bad things were done to the natives, but do you think you're the only people to who bad things have happened. Exactly what is needed for the natives to forgive or at least to forget and move on? Because frankly, I have no idea.

I'll say what a lot of people have said here, get over it.
If you don't, things will never change.

Sorry if I offend you with my post.
I just feel to need to try to open your eyes, even if I know it probably won't do any good.

[Donny_Brasco]

EyeBrock wrote:

Oh spare me the equal crap. Irish have been treated as bad or worse for centuries. Do cry me a river for the shite my 'people' have endured.

That is fine, we have the legal right under your own laws to hold you accountable for the land you live on the mistakes of your people and your government.

I don’t need you to cry. I don’t need you to do fuck all actually. Just bury your head in the sand and stfu because shit is coming around and there is not much you can do about it. And really, the irony of us beating you with your own laws and seeing you actually crying about it is such great poetic justice! The only thing better would be you guys actually showing up at my place in your white sheets burning a cross on my laws.

Must really suck to be so white and so mighty but you actually are being subverted by your own processes and your own system! By a bunch of Indians! LMFAO...

Anyways, I have a nice obelisk for sale if you know anyone who needs one, use to be some sort of border maker or something....

[Donny_Brasco]

Lemmy wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Had we been treated as equals all along then I guess this issue would not exist.

Forgive me if I don't believe that somehow now you've figured out how to make promises and keep them.

But I wasn't there to do that. I can't/shouldn't have to apologize for what my ancestors did. I'm not their daddy. Neither should I have to live up to bargains I didn't make. And I have never made a promise I haven't kept.

Wow, it is going to be a long, painful life for some of you who think that you don't have to account for the past.

Honestly, I take pleasure in your pain. I know it is wrong, but I feel like a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass. And I got lots of ants on CKA who love the pain!

[Donny_Brasco]

raydan wrote:

If you can change the situation of the native people today, that is, have an obtainable and sensible objectif, go for it and work for it.
If not, you won't get my support nor my sympathy.

I don't need your support or sympathy. I prefer you remain ignorant and that every time we exercise our rights in some form you scratch your head and wonder why. It is better that way, because fighting for what is ours against people who are nice, people we actually like, is alot harder than taking what is ours from people we detest.

[EyeBrock]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Oh spare me the equal crap. Irish have been treated as bad or worse for centuries. Do cry me a river for the shite my 'people' have endured.

That is fine, we have the legal right under your own laws to hold you accountable for the land you live on the mistakes of your people and your government.

I don’t need you to cry. I don’t need you to do fuck all actually. Just bury your head in the sand and stfu because shit is coming around and there is not much you can do about it. And really, the irony of us beating you with your own laws and seeing you actually crying about it is such great poetic justice! The only thing better would be you guys actually showing up at my place in your white sheets burning a cross on my laws.

Must really suck to be so white and so mighty but you actually are being subverted by your own processes and your own system! By a bunch of Indians! LMFAO...

Anyways, I have a nice obelisk for sale if you know anyone who needs one, use to be some sort of border maker or something....

Yea, you were so in the know that you didn't even realise that the Mohawks came to Canada with the British and Loyalist Americans after the Revolutionary War.

Their land grants are from the British Crown, not some vague agreement over furs.


Your petty views are just that. As others have said, we have all met much better First Nations guys than thee.

With people like you doing native PR, things don't look too good.

Natural selection mate.

[Lemmy]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Wow, it is going to be a long, painful life for some of you who think that you don't have to account for the past.

What do you mean by "account"? I have never done anything to a native to make him think I owe something. I will not apologize for things I didn't do. All I can do is try to promote justice and equality today. If justice and equality are principles you hold, you'll join with me as a brother and work towards those objectives.

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Honestly, I take pleasure in your pain. I know it is wrong, but I feel like a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass. And I got lots of ants on CKA who love the pain!

I have done no wrong so I feel no pain. But help me understand what it is you want. Do you want Justice and Equality? Do you want money? Do you want sovereignty? Do you want revenge? At least tell me what the hell you want and I'll try to conjur up a way we can all get the fuck along with one another.

edit: spelling error

[Donny_Brasco]

Lol, ya if you only knew.

Goodnight