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Title: "Who fights for Canada? Young white men, that's who fights,"
Category: Military
Posted By: EyeBrock
Date: 2009-11-07 05:50:53
Canadian

[EyeBrock]

Interesting article backed up with facts and figures.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock wrote:

Interesting article backed up with facts and figures.

I'd like to seee reserve stats.

Generally, I think we tend to have more women and minorities.

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Interesting article backed up with facts and figures.

I'd like to seee reserve stats.

Generally, I think we tend to have more women and minorities.

That's a good point but it looks like the white guys are the ones who join up for the fight.

Plus many areas of rural Canada are totally white-bread and there a few opportunities for guys which make the CF more appealing.

[stokes]

I find this article fascinating, especially how he states that military membership is now more a succession of generations from the same families. My family emigrated to Canada in the 1920's and at least one member from every generation has joined the CF, unfortunately even this is starting to change as I am the only one out of 30 (extended family included) to be in the military.

[Gunnair]

stokes wrote:

I find this article fascinating, especially how he states that military membership is now more a succession of generations from the same families. My family emigrated to Canada in the 1920's and at least one member from every generation has joined the CF, unfortunately even this is starting to change as I am the only one out of 30 (extended family included) to be in the military.

I'm third generation - grandfather in RCR, father, highlander (briefly) and now me Navy.

See what happens in the future.

[EyeBrock]

4th generation. My GG dad was in the Manchesters at Ypres, got home in one piece, sidways leap to my G Uncle ( G Dad was deaf in one ear) who was in the Lancs Fusliers during WW2. My Dad was in the Royal Scot's Greys and I was Royal Air Force.

[CommanderSock]

Good article, but it will change within the next generation.

[EyeBrock]

I hope so.

[Benn]

I think CommanderSock is right. Look at immigration trends. It was not really until the 80s that the focuse started shifting away from western European countries to others. Now it's harder to immigrate from our founding nation, Britain, than from Sri Lanka. Its not until the second or third generation of families that people start feeling more "Canadian," that is part of a bigger whole than their confined community where Grandma can't even speak an official language. Before this happens its not surprising first and second gen adults are not interested in the military: 1) Many come from war ravaged countries or ones where the military is feared and still carry this ideal and 2) Not until they feel part of a greater whole will they want to serve and protect it.

I'm sure if we were actually attacked and our way of life was threatened you would see the first and second gens coming out to the front. I mean they moved here because Canada is what it is and want to protect that if its threatened, I hope.

[EyeBrock]

But they don't seem to be volunteering for combat.

Mass immigration from non-Euro countries (lets say it as it is, by Euro we mean the UK and Eire) has been happening since the 1960's.

That's at least two or three generations.

There are many reasons but lots of immigrant groups in the GTA stick within their own communities and have little wish to join-up and serve their new country.

I think we should look at this article as one that eventually said that the emperor has no clothes.
DND targets to recruit non-whites and other minority groups fail to grasp the point that these groups have no desire to join the military.

On the other hand there are plenty of white guys who do. Let's accept that and stop the bullshit and excuses.

[Mr_Canada]

Cute... This matters to some people?

[EyeBrock]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Cute... This matters to some people?

Yes, seeing who volunteers to serve their country is of interest to me and others. I have a funny notion that true patriots serve their country.
Going to war for Canada shows true commitment to Canada in my view.

There are other ways but surely being willing to lay down your life in the service of your country is the ultimate in selfless patriotism, however unfashionable to the twittering unwashed.

To those more inclined to measure their patriotism by how much they hate the US may find this all very boring, as we do they.

[Brenda]

Isn't it a trend everywhere? My father was in the army, my brother was (because they had to, it was mandatory then), my other brother wasn't, and most of my friends weren't, as it was voluntary by then.

Young people, 17, 18 years old, fresh from highschool, rather choose a career in the safe environment of their mommies basement (to be blunt), than consiously take the risk to die in combat in the East.

[Mr_Canada]

To each his own EyeBrock. You've got your fall-back for patriotism, I suppose I have mine.