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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:04 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
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We don't have a revenue problem in Alberta nor will we. This is a spending problem as it is in the rest of Canada. Cutting funding to the core portfolios isn't the answer either. It's trimming the waste that is spent by governments. The government should look at all non-essential spending much closer, the arts comes to mind as one area that should be looked at closely.


I'd argue that while our per-capita spending is higher than several other provinces, it's largely due to our across the board cutbacks in the 90s. Klein closed dozens of schools, hospitals and other facilities across the province, privatized government departments, slowed infrastructure spending and laid off thousands of people. Nevermind that he raided the Heritage Trust Fund and didn't bother putting anything back until 2004 or so.

Those short-sighted decisions in the past have had negative implications for us now.

It's like owning a vehicle - if you spend next to nothing on maintenance for the first five years you own it, then you shouldn't be surprised when it costs you a fortune down the road.


:roll: The second highest revenue ever with the largest deficit..yeah lets go back and blame someone from 7 years ago...lol

It's a SPENDING problem a big RED one. I can't wait till all the teachers go on strike in September, hopefully that's enough to show the worst premiere ever the door.

We have a BITCH bubble, not a Bitumen Bubble


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:39 am
 


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:roll: The second highest revenue ever with the largest deficit..yeah lets go back and blame someone from 7 years ago...lol


Klien stopped spending on infrastructure in order to pay down the debt. I guess pointing this fact out is inconvenient for you?

jj2424 jj2424:
It's a SPENDING problem a big RED one. I can't wait till all the teachers go on strike in September, hopefully that's enough to show the worst premiere ever the door.


Alberta has seen month after month, quarter after quarter, year after year of population and infrastructure growth. How do you expect spending to fall? Where is the money going to come from to pay for all that expansion and maintainence?

jj2424 jj2424:
We have a BITCH bubble, not a Bitumen Bubble


Keep it classy there jj!

Much as I hate it, our flat tax rate just doesn't cut it. With increasing population and economy, we need income that is proportional to spending, that that may have to be a progressive income tax, or better yet - a sales tax that would generate more income as more people spent more money.





PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:41 am
 


So why didn't Stelmach spend on infrastructure . We were in a recession, labour was cheap . Would have been time to create work . But no lets go back and blame the one we hate the most. Convenient.

He was too busy playing a liberal messing with royalties and sending all the work to Saskatchewan.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:47 am
 


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But no lets go back and blame the one we hate the most. Convenient.


Really? I hate Klien? Feel free to find quotes from me on that.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:30 am
 


jj2424 jj2424:
So why didn't Stelmach spend on infrastructure . We were in a recession, labour was cheap . Would have been time to create work . But no lets go back and blame the one we hate the most. Convenient.

He was too busy playing a liberal messing with royalties and sending all the work to Saskatchewan.


Stelmach did spend on infrastructure - the ring roads around Calgary and Edmonton are proof of that. He also opened hospitals, schools, and got construction going on all sorts of projects that stalled under Klein.

Here's just a few for each;

Hospitals & New Beds:

http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/6513.asp

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/s ... ening.html

http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/3825.asp

Schools:

http://www.alberta.ca/acn/201105/305422 ... 90CF9.html

http://alberta.ca/NewsFrame.cfm?Release ... D6DA8.html

Roads and Interchanges:

http://alberta.ca/acn/201004/28110E2F37 ... 57036.html

http://alberta.ca/acn/201006/28709894F3 ... C685C.html

http://alberta.ca/acn/201007/288871ECEE ... 124AD.html

Under the Wildrose's platform, infrastructure funding would have slowed and projects extended over time. That alone shows they want to turn back the clock. Perhaps you think it's okay to download all these costs onto your children and grandchildren, but I sure as hell don't.

The only person blinded by their hatred here seems to be you...I don't hate Klein, but I'll admit a dislike for him. His policies screwed future generations by constantly raiding the HTF and not keeping up with infrastructure spending.

Take a look at what the HTF could have been;

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And that picture is from 2008...instead Klein treated as a piggy bank and raided it every year - today it stands at a paltry $15 billion - only a tiny amount more than when Lougheed left office. If it was any one of those numbers, the interest alone would be in the BILLIONS.

Albertans seem to love to gripe about responsibility, except when it comes to their own. It's time to pay the piper now, not keep putting things off and hope that someone else pays for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:53 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
Albertans seem to love to gripe about responsibility, except when it comes to their own. It's time to pay the piper now, not keep putting things off and hope that someone else pays for it.


R=UP

The Preimier said today's budget will be a 'once in a generation opportunity'. We'll see if if that is true; if she goes foreward with reponsible progress, or pulls a Quebec and spends spends spends . . .


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