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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:52 am
 


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Grenade or not. The fact that Khadr as a Canadian was fighting with the Taliban against US forces is an act of treason and he should be treated as such.

I'm sure he wasn't there to enjoy the many complimentary amenities of the compound whilst he was on Vacation.

You bring up a good point, used to be Treason got you riding some rope or playing catch with bullets, now WE apologize and hand you money. Pathetic.


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Not to try and bring the topic back on topic, but. What is the Gov'ts rational for charging this terrorist bitch with leaving Canada to commit a criminal act in Syria while the assholes who went over to the exact same country to fight for a terrorist organization like ISIS are being welcomed back with open arms?

BTW Doc, the Supreme Court ruled that poor little Omar's Charter Rights were violated because he was "sleep deprived" or as the bleeding hearts call it "tortured". They didn't rule on his guilt or innocence in the killing of Sgt Speers.

But here's something telling about who really runs Canada and it isn't the people you elect.

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CANADA VIOLATED KHADR'S CHARTER RIGHTS
"In an 9-0 ruling this morning, the Court said that Canada violated Mr. Khadr's Charter rights by participating in illegal interrogation methods which included sleep deprivation. It stressed that the constitutional breach is ongoing and 'continues to this day'."

"The judges could scarcely have been tougher in their finding that Mr. Khadr was mistreated during interrogations in 2003 and 2004. 'Interrogation of a youth to elicit statements about the most serious criminal charges – while detained in these conditions and without access to counsel and while knowing the fruits of the interrogations would be shared with the U.S. prosecutors – offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects'."

"The Court upheld an earlier Federal Court decision that Mr. Khadr's right to life, liberty and security had been violated, but it refused to go as far as the lower court had gone in ordering Mr. Khadr to be brought home."

HARPER GOVERNMENT MUST RECTIFY THIS SITUATION, IF NOT THE COURT WILL ACT
"The court said that before stepping in to dictate a Canadian response on a sensitive question of foreign policy, the federal government must be given a chance to rectify Mr. Khadr's plight."

"But if the government refuses to take adequate action to rectify the abuse of Mr. Khadr's rights, the Court warned, 'courts are empowered to make orders ensuring that the government's foreign affairs prerogative is exercised in accordance with the constitution'.”



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It may seem like I'm absolving the Americans of wrong doing, I'm not. But his allegation needs to be proven in court.


The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled in his favour several times, and against him never. That's my benchmark too; what has been proven in court.


It was based on the fact "his charter rights" were infringed, namely his "right to liberty and security of the person in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice""

and his section right to be informed promptly of the reasons of his arrest or detention, and the right to inform and instruct council and the right to be informed of that right.


That was but one decision. There are several others.

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/en/d/ ... d2=&p=&or=

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What the Supreme Court has done with this ruling is say that ANYONE arrested in a foreign nation could be eligible for a settlement if their charter rights were violated. That's a fucking slippery slope. Get a sharp enough lawyer, and you too can get 10 million.


No, it didn't say that. It said the Canadian Government was knowingly complicit in his ongoing torture, and $10m was the cost of the violation of his Charter rights against such treatment.

All the Islam haters out there have twisted the meaning of the judgement to suit their own purposes

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On several occasions, including in February and September of 2003, Canadian officials, including agents of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), attended at Guantanamo Bay and interviewed Mr. Khadr for intelligence and law enforcement purposes. The CSIS agents questioned Mr. Khadr with respect to matters connected to the charges he is now facing, and shared the product of these interviews with U.S. authorities.
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[24] The violations of human rights identified by the United States Supreme Court are sufficient to permit us to conclude that the regime providing for the detention and trial of Mr. Khadr at the time of the CSIS interviews constituted a clear violation of fundamental human rights protected by international law.


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[27] By making the product of its interviews of Mr. Khadr available to U.S. authorities, Canada participated in a process that was contrary to Canada’s international human rights obligations. Merely conducting interviews with a Canadian citizen held abroad under a violative process may not constitute participation in that process. Indeed, it may often be essential that Canadian officials interview citizens being held by violative regimes to provide assistance to them. Nor is it necessary to conclude that handing over the fruits of the interviews in this case to U.S. officials constituted a breach of Mr. Khadr’s s. 7 rights. It suffices to note that at the time Canada handed over the fruits of the interviews to U.S. officials, it was bound by the Charter , because at that point it became a participant in a process that violated Canada’s international obligations.


https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-c ... o?q=Khadr+

So anyone being tortured outside of Canada with an agent of Canada being complicit can expect a big paycheque.

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Khadar was arrested in Afghanistan by American forces, he was then transferred to an American Facility, He should only have been subject to Canadian laws and customs once he was back in Canada. Or are we saying Canadian Laws supersede all other laws?

This Canadian in China who is facing death, I'm sure several charter rights have been violated... But his case will never be seen by a Supreme Court Justice. The duality of justice is palpable.


China is not an ally, and Canada is trying to get the sentence of death rescinded, not complicit in his treatment. The man is also not a child under the age of majority. Very different circumstances.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:33 am
 


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BTW Doc, the Supreme Court ruled that poor little Omar's Charter Rights were violated because he was "sleep deprived" or as the bleeding hearts call it "tortured". They didn't rule on his guilt or innocence in the killing of Sgt Speers.


I never wrote they did. I just wrote there is a independent witness who contradicts Kadhr's admission under torture. When there are two competing statements to an event, the assumption is always innocent until proven to be Omar Kadhr. Or something. ;)


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No, it didn't say that. It said the Canadian Government was knowingly complicit in his ongoing torture, and $10m was the cost of the violation of his Charter rights against such treatment.

All the Islam haters out there have twisted the meaning of the judgement to suit their own purposes



I didn't mean to imply you did... However, now that they have, it technically can be used to get others money. Rule of Precedent and all.


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No, it didn't say that. It said the Canadian Government was knowingly complicit in his ongoing torture, and $10m was the cost of the violation of his Charter rights against such treatment.

All the Islam haters out there have twisted the meaning of the judgement to suit their own purposes



I didn't mean to imply you did... However, now that they have, it technically can be used to get others money. Rule of Precedent and all.


Absolutely. If the government tortures anyone else, they can expect to compensate them in the 8 digit range for it. So perhaps they shouldn't torture Canadians again.


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Lol. We both know they'll get nothing.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:26 pm
 


Yea, but I feel we should at least get a free double double for putting up with Trudeau.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:55 pm
 


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Yea, but I feel we should at least get a free double double for putting up with Trudeau.

There's something we can both agree on. He does need to throw in a Honey Cruller too.


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Grenade or not. The fact that Khadr as a Canadian was fighting with the Taliban against US forces is an act of treason and he should be treated as such.


A US soldier expending a couple more bullets worth 50 cents each in his encounter with Li'l Omar back in 2001 could have saved Canada $10 million and a whole lot of lawyers fees, not to mention eighteen years worth of virtue signalling from those who keep saying "he was just an innocent child!". Can we counter-sue Jean Chretien and whichever brain-dead immigration bureaucrat who rubber-stamped the "OK" on the paperwork that gave the Khadr's citizenship to begin with? :x


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Grenade or not. The fact that Khadr as a Canadian was fighting with the Taliban against US forces is an act of treason and he should be treated as such.


A US soldier expending a couple more bullets worth 50 cents each in his encounter with Li'l Omar back in 2001 could have saved Canada $10 million and a whole lot of lawyers fees, not to mention eighteen years worth of virtue signalling from those who keep saying "he was just an innocent child!". Can we counter-sue Jean Chretien and whichever brain-dead immigration bureaucrat who rubber-stamped the "OK" on the paperwork that gave the Khadr's citizenship to begin with? :x


Small correction, my 5.56 reloads only cost $0.31 each. :D


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So about 20 cents US each, factoring out the exchange rate and the extra Canadian taxes. 8)


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Khadr was convicted in a US kangaroo court of an act that he probably didn’t commit ad which doesn’t even qualify as a crime under any known law , at a time when he was s child, and then subjected to cruel and unusual punishment for over a decade afterwards That’s why he got his money.

Except the Geneva Convention, Canadian Laws on participating in Terrorism, US laws on the same, UN Resolution 1373, etc. You are correct, there is literally no known law against murdering a medic as an irregular combatant.

Also the piece of dogshit admitted to tossing the grenade.

I don't buy the "he was only a child" arguement. He actually was a teen. Children are generally referred to people who are pre-pubescent. He was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Remember Steven Truscott was sentenced to hang at 14 for murder. Ole Omar was also 14. Generally you are considered Doli Incapax under 12 in Canada.

Cruel and Unusual punishment? Being held to account for your actions is cruel and unusual? Jesus man. HE MURDERED A MEDIC, they dont put you in a healing lodge (unless your Terri-Lynne McClintic)Cruel and unusual is Imagining the Speer family as they watched our Prime Minister tell this piece of shit he did nothing wrong, we're sorry AND we handing him a cheque for 10.5 million to make up for it.

Our PM is a virtue signalling SJW appeasing third-wave feminist loving treasonous groping pandering pile of human filth.

Khadar got his money because Trudeau wanted a photo op. Look how forgiving we are! We're the most compassionate!

Fuck Khadar and fuck this ISIS bitch. Its time we stopped pandering to these piles of donkey shit. Deal with them harshly.


1) I don’t think he threw the grenade and confessions from a child extracted under torture are not evidence of anything except some that people you admire are willing to torture children


2) Setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t fo it, there are laws protecting child soldiers and that includes irregulars. Yes he is a child soldier by definition doesn’t matter that he was a teen. He was under 18, did not join of his free will, and had no freedom to leave.

3) Again, setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t do it, The laws you cite do not say that if foreign soldiers attack you and you defend yourself, you are guilty of murder and should be tried and convicted in that foreign soldiers country. Ever wonder why NONE of the hundreds (thousands) captured before or after Khadr have been tried or convicted of murder in us courts the same way? Why aren’t US jails full of VietCong?It was something the Bush administration made up in the spot and it was such wcock-up they didn’t try it again. I mean, the idea that someone can be guilty of murder during open combat with a superpowers army is pretty ridiculous especially when the dead person is the side who initiated the combat in the first place, remember the Navy SEALS ambushed Khadr, not the other way around.

Interesting that you mention Truscott, another innocent youth railroaded by angry ignorant old men.


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1) I don’t think he threw the grenade and confessions from a child extracted under torture are not evidence of anything except some that people you admire are willing to torture children


2) Setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t fo it, there are laws protecting child soldiers and that includes irregulars. Yes he is a child soldier by definition doesn’t matter that he was a teen. He was under 18, did not join of his free will, and had no freedom to leave.

3) Again, setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t do it, The laws you cite do not say that if foreign soldiers attack you and you defend yourself, you are guilty of murder and should be tried and convicted in that foreign soldiers country. Ever wonder why NONE of the hundreds (thousands) captured before or after Khadr have been tried or convicted of murder in us courts the same way? Why aren’t US jails full of VietCong?It was something the Bush administration made up in the spot and it was such wcock-up they didn’t try it again. I mean, the idea that someone can be guilty of murder during open combat with a superpowers army is pretty ridiculous especially when the dead person is the side who initiated the combat in the first place, remember the Navy SEALS ambushed Khadr, not the other way around.

Interesting that you mention Truscott, another innocent youth railroaded by angry ignorant old men.


Set aside all you want. You can't deny the fact that Khadr, a Canadian, was fighting against the country he came from and it's allies. That is treason.

Why are you attempting to defend his actions?


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1) I don’t think he threw the grenade and confessions from a child extracted under torture are not evidence of anything except some that people you admire are willing to torture children


2) Setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t fo it, there are laws protecting child soldiers and that includes irregulars. Yes he is a child soldier by definition doesn’t matter that he was a teen. He was under 18, did not join of his free will, and had no freedom to leave.

3) Again, setting aside the fact that he probably didn’t do it, The laws you cite do not say that if foreign soldiers attack you and you defend yourself, you are guilty of murder and should be tried and convicted in that foreign soldiers country. Ever wonder why NONE of the hundreds (thousands) captured before or after Khadr have been tried or convicted of murder in us courts the same way? Why aren’t US jails full of VietCong?It was something the Bush administration made up in the spot and it was such wcock-up they didn’t try it again. I mean, the idea that someone can be guilty of murder during open combat with a superpowers army is pretty ridiculous especially when the dead person is the side who initiated the combat in the first place, remember the Navy SEALS ambushed Khadr, not the other way around.

Interesting that you mention Truscott, another innocent youth railroaded by angry ignorant old men.


Set aside all you want. You can't deny the fact that Khadr, a Canadian, was fighting against the country he came from and it's allies. That is treason.

Why are you attempting to defend his actions?


I told you already. He was a kid brought there by his parents he had no say in the matter. And the claim he was “fighting “ there is dubious.


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