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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:24 pm
 


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Would a dude with an unnaturally high production of testosterone have to do the same?

Yes.

If your T levels are deemed "unusually high" (major issue between IAAF and IOC, btw), you will have to provide your testing history to prove that your T levels have always been high.

Can't provide history, you don't get to compete until you do.

Sadly, this has become the most common defense against dominance. Cry foul, and force the victor to waste their precious training days proving that they aren't cheating, rather than only acting when cheating is caught.

Bolt peed in a cup before and after every race, precisely because he was be accused of doping...every race.


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I mean take test suppressing hormones. I can understand testing, but if nothing is found in their system, then why would we hamper someone's ability because of a genetic trait?


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I mean take test suppressing hormones. I can understand testing, but if nothing is found in their system, then why would we hamper someone's ability because of a genetic trait?

The PC answer or the real one?

PC answer, because women's sports are just entering the age of high competitiveness.

The real answer, because the other female athletes and their orgs are demanding it.

Once the women's sports are as profitable as the men's, I don't doubt for a second it will become as cutthroat. If you can't beat those that passed their criteria tests, you will be left to the wayside, rather than complain about why you lost unfairly.


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peck420 wrote:
Tricks wrote:
I mean take test suppressing hormones. I can understand testing, but if nothing is found in their system, then why would we hamper someone's ability because of a genetic trait?

The PC answer or the real one?

PC answer, because women's sports are just entering the age of high competitiveness.

The real answer, because the other female athletes and their orgs are demanding it.

Once the women's sports are as profitable as the men's, I don't doubt for a second it will become as cutthroat. If you can't beat those that passed their criteria tests, you will be left to the wayside, rather than complain about why you lost unfairly.

I think the majority of female athletes aren't going to complain about it. The ones that do are sore losers. And probably a few personality defects. Male fighters don't complain that Khabib is seemingly unbeatable, or sprinters complaining that Bolt beats people without even trying. You might get a handful that say they want someone tested, but if found to be legit, I think we should give them more credit until the complaints actually happen. We wouldn't force a male athlete to take test suppressing hormones and we shouldn't be forcing a female athlete. Should we ban people with Myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy from anything strength related/dependent? Of course not, that's silly.


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peck420 wrote:
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My error on the testosterone vs DNA.

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Regardless of that Semenya isn't in the same category as the wig-wearers with beards who want to use the female washroom in the mall with the little girls. One, Semenya, is a creation of nature. The other kind are just freaks looking for a social stamp of approval on their deviancy.

As much as I agree with this, to my knowledge there have been no wig-wearers allowed into this level of competition just yet, so I don't really understand how it applies to the current cases?

I could be very wrong, I don't follow even the majority of sports.



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Or for something a little more current than 1936

Quote:
Weightlifting: Biological male takes 1st place in women’s contest

Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, who was born a man, won the Australian international women’s competition March 19.

Hubbard, 39, lifted 591 pounds, nearly 20 pounds more than the woman who won the silver medal by lifting 572 pounds.

Weightlifter Deborah Acason, from the Australian Weightlifting Federation, told 1 News Now she’s concerned about the fairness of Hubbard competing in the women’s division.

“We all deserve to be on an even playing field,” Acason said. “It’s difficult when you believe that you’re not. If it’s not even, why are we doing the sport?”

Cycling: Biological male dominates women’s competition

Transgender cyclist Jillian Bearden, a 36-year-old biological male and Colorado Springs native, won the women’s division of the El Tour de Tucson in four hours and 26 minutes in November 2016.

Bearden founded the world’s first transgender cycling group, Transnational Women’s Cycling Team.

“It’s absolutely huge,” Bearden told the Daily Star of his El Tour de Tucson victory. “We’re at a moment of time – especially now – where not only do we have to come out but we have to be positive. We have to come together in solidarity and move this country in a direction that is accepting of all.”

Third-place finisher Suzanne Sonya told Cycling Tips: “I’ll take her on any day, but that’s just me. I’ll take on men, too. I feel bad about saying it, but, no, I do not think it’s fair play, and I question her integrity knowing that she’s going into these events knowing that she is going to be stronger.


Wrestling: Transgender wins high-school girls tournament

Mack Beggs, 17, was born a girl and reportedly began identifying as a boy at the age of 3. Though Beggs underwent testosterone treatments for more than a year and had the muscle mass of a teenage boy, Beggs competed and took first place in the University Interscholastic League state girls’ championship on Feb. 25, 2016.

“If he has been taking hormones, or steroids, he should be wrestling boys,” youth counselor Melissa Roush told CNN.

Dr. Brandon Mines, assistant professor at Emory University’s Department of Orthopedics, agreed with Roush’s statement.

“Testosterone and anabolic steroids are in the same family and have the effect of increasing muscle mass and strength gains,” Mines told CNN.


https://www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athl ... -once-men/

They're out there and it's happening more and more now So, the IAAF and IOC had better get a handle on it or there'll be no more gender specific sports because they'll have to go to gender neutral competitions which will mean that it'll be all male competitors or in some cases women who have taken so much testosterone that they'd make the former governor of California look like the guy on the beach who gets sand kicked into his face.


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