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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:46 am
 


Title: Zebras, lions, kangaroos among exotic animals seized at Quebec zoo
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2019-05-22 06:44:57
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:46 am
 


This is why all the 'death camps' called 'zoos' need to close.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:07 am
 


DrCaleb wrote:
This is why all the 'death camps' called 'zoos' need to close.

Death Camps? They're not herding the elephants into the Showers.

Really, these "Death Camps" are the best chance to preserve some of these species. Were they to release these animals into the wild they'd be dead within a very short period. Until we can find a meaningful way to marginalize the poachers this is the safest way to preserve some of these species.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:17 am
 


llama66 wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
This is why all the 'death camps' called 'zoos' need to close.

Death Camps? They're not herding the elephants into the Showers.

Really, these "Death Camps" are the best chance to preserve some of these species. Were they to release these animals into the wild they'd be dead within a very short period. Until we can find a meaningful way to marginalize the poachers this is the safest way to preserve some of these species.


'Preservation' requires that animals be sequestered from the public, because they have to have the chance to be released. You can't buy tickets to an animal rehabilitation facility. I donate money and my time to local rehabilitation organizations. They are not the same thing as a Zoo. The first rule of a rehabilitation facility is 'limit human contact'.

Zoos are there to make money by exploiting animals, and the animals have zero chance to be released. They are there till they die. Hence 'death camps'.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:35 am
 


Death Camps is melodramatic.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:36 am
 


I am fairly passionate about the mistreatment of animals. Perhaps melodrama is needed. ;)


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 am
 


Some zoo's are truly barbaric, while others are very humane and treat the animals very well. Jack Hannah is a name that if the Zoo is associated with will have a good record. He took over the Columbus Zoo in Ohio and turned it into a great place for people, kids and most importantly Animals. Just my opinion and I know many feel that any Zoo is barbaric.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:56 am
 


stratos wrote:
Some zoo's are truly barbaric, while others are very humane and treat the animals very well. Jack Hannah is a name that if the Zoo is associated with will have a good record. He took over the Columbus Zoo in Ohio and turned it into a great place for people, kids and most importantly Animals. Just my opinion and I know many feel that any Zoo is barbaric.


I know some zoos are very careful about how they treat animals. San Diego zoo is famous for their care.

But to me, animals belong in the wild. If we cause them injury, then we should fix them, and release them. For every zoo that is fantastic with their animals, there are 100 like this one in Quebec. It's just not worth the suffering, to me. What would Harambe do? :evil:

I'd rather take a safari where you see the animals in their natural surroundings, where they are left alone and we all just get along.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:33 am
 


I get it, I just don't like the implied connection with places like Auschwitz. Some Zoo's do deserve to be shuttered, but some zoo's are doing a lot of good for species management. They're keeping species alive that would have been lost to habitat destruction already.

But I totally agree, those who mistreat animals are the worst kind of people.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:44 am
 


llama66 wrote:
I get it, I just don't like the implied connection with places like Auschwitz.


While that comparison may be exaggeration, it's not totally off base. The article did say it found bodies of tigers were found, and animals didn't have proper food or water.

And their business permit was for 'breeding livestock and poultry'. Don't know what role kangaroos or monkeys play in that.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:45 am
 


DrCaleb wrote:
llama66 wrote:
I get it, I just don't like the implied connection with places like Auschwitz.


While that comparison may be exaggeration, it's not totally off base. The article did say it found bodies of tigers were found, and animals didn't have proper food or water.

And their business permit was for 'breeding livestock and poultry'. Don't know what role kangaroos or monkeys play in that.

Fair enough. Touche.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:55 pm
 


Zoos bother me as well. Concrete and metal prisons, no matter how "pretty" they try to make it.

I GET the whole "preservation" "education" blah blah argument but still hate the whole concept of profiting off the incarceration of these creatures. Honestly, I can't help but cheer a little bit when a zookeeper finds themselves at the negative end of the "control". Not that I want people to die but the creature they are attempting to control by keeping it reminds them that they are far from being the superior being.

I am ever so grateful to the people who film and narrate all those fantastic documentaries that they show on channels like NatGeo, Discovery, BBC etc. I feel like I have been there in the most wild of places, in numerous countries and watched nature up close the way nature is... natural.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:05 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
For every zoo that is fantastic with their animals, there are 100 like this one in Quebec. It's just not worth the suffering, to me. What would Harambe do? :evil:


Odds are that if it weren't for the good zoo Harambe and his family were living at they all would have been wiped out by poachers by the age of five on average, instead of age of seventeen he was at when he got shot to save that stupid kid that got into his enclosure.

I'm just hoping someone somewhere with enough money is collecting as many genetic samples of wildlife as they can for cloning by future generations of better and wiser humans because the odds are leaning towards extinction for almost every wild land and ocean species on the planet within the next hundred years. The zoos, parks, and sanctuaries aren't going to be able to save them at all, if any of them, over time. The power of the money involved in poaching, over-hunting, pollution, human over-population, habitat destruction, and the havoc increasing climate change is going to wreak everywhere are all going to be too strong for the animals to survive against, even with the help of those who still care.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:09 pm
 


I think the only "good" zoo in Québec is St-Felicien. Mind you, the last time I went there my son was 2, so that was in 1983.


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