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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:56 pm
 


<strong>Written By:</strong> Roy_Whyte
<strong>Date:</strong> 2006-05-07 12:56:00
<a href="/article/15608987-canadian-support-plummets-for-afghan-mission">Article Link</a>

While “Canadians have shown some ambivalence to this issue right from the start,” and were hesitant to support military involvement in Afghanistan, the emotional intensity of the opposition appears to have increased, said Strategic Counsel chairman Allan Gregg.</p> <p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060505.wxpoll06/BNStory/Afghanistan/home">Globe and Mail</a></p> <p>Well it would seem our Conservatives have some problems on their hands keeping Canadians onside with their continuation of the Liberal appeasement of America.</p> <p>Now if more Canadians would find out that we are not fighting terrorists in Afghanistan but insurgents, I would surmise that even more Canadians would want us to pull out of there sooner rather than later. Calling them insurgents isn't probably correct all things considered. After all, we took a side in a civil war. Call it what you like. And before the pro-war crowd jumps on me for saying that, you don't have to believe me, but you should probably believe the US State Department. You know, the ones that we are fighting for!</p> <p><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0502/dailyUpdate.html">US does not consider Taliban terrorists </a><br> <b>Even as the Taliban attacks US, Canadian, and British forces, organization is left off terrorist list in 'political' decision.</b></p> <p>And with the hysteria over Iran starting to take off in the right-wing media, I can't wait for the Conservatives to get on the wrong side of Canadians as they did with Iraq.</p> [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on May 7, 2006]



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:50 pm
 


I am not at all surprised. Support will continue to
decline each time another soldier is killed. The more
soldiers that die the more support this "war" loses.

Interesting though the Conservatives voters opposition
has grown from 24% to 38% that somewhat surprises me but
then again there have been numerous soldiers killed since
last poll.

I think Harper will have no choice but to do the right
thing and get us the hell out of there.

Politically speaking he could very easily lose seats in
Quebec over this. The more soldiers coming home in body
bags the more support he will lose.

If the recent poll that shows the cons at 35% is
"validated" in the coming days and weeks by other polling
companies it could mean the "war" is effecting his overall
support.

I figured unfortunately the more soldiers coming home in
body bags would weaken support for this conflict, and him
trying to ban media from showing coffins does not help
Harper's cause either.

It has been fun, comical and eye opening since Harper
became PM but enough is enough, it is really time for him
and the conservatives to go.


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:15 pm
 


For a short history of this region, and it's various conflicts take a look at:<br />
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"Three Big Lies About Afghanistan" at<br />
<a href="http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives.php">http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives.php</a><br />
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Mr Margolis has spent many years living and reporting from Afghanistan, going back to the Russian invasion.<br />
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:06 pm
 


Call me the Mother of all Cynics, but I think the American/British presence is intimately tied up with the poppy.

Taliban = no poppies
Americans = record quantities

Nolo contendere ..........


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:36 pm
 


I have always liked his writing--not all those featured in the Toronto Sun are bad. :)

He had an interesting take on the illegal immigrant invasion of the United States I posted a while back in the forums.

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Hasn't the CIA been linked to drug money fundraising for decades??

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Yeah....but that's been called a popular fiction......

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The CIA has been linked with the drug trade in virtually every country of south america, the real interesting thing is that during strafe bombing in Afghanistan, unlike Iraq, "agricultural collectives" and farms were NOT bombed. One of the biggest tie ins with american aggression is agriculture, they typically wipe out farming operations so the american taxpayer can foot the bill for new 'agricultural practises', in other words buying seed, pesticides, equipment, etc., from the big chemical/seed companies. Strangely enough, this DIDN"T happen in Afghanistan, virtually the only country where agriculture hasn't been one of the prime 'modernization' projects. You can draw your own conclusions, but obviously this leaves the door to poppy growing wide open. Everything is done for a reason.

On the other note, I doubt you are going to hear liberals, the only other viable alternative (unfortunately) come out and say they are going to take the military out. Not a chance. They might make noise about 'conducting a study' or 'debating it in parliament', or something like that, but if the opposition doesn't provide an alternative, then it doesn't hurt Harper any. You couldn't even get the NDP to even TALK about pulling troops out of Haiti, which is an even more aggregious mission, so welcome to the new war economy.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:59 am
 


I think this is one reason the war in Afghanistan continues.<br />
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4952784.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4952784.stm</a> <br />
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Maybe the US wants to become independent of Canadian oil and gas, to which it is addicted. It is not about helping India at all. This pipeline might be an effort to improve on the US image and increase its sphere of influence, and is in fact a huge "carrot" to the ex-Soviet republics.<br />
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That is why Canada should not be involved in Afghanistan. <br />



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:43 am
 


CIA aka Cocaine Importing Agency<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Documented+evidence+of+CIA+drug+involvement&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8">http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Documented+evidence+of+CIA+drug+involvement&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.html">http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.html</a><br />
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<a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Documented%20evidence%20of%20CIA%20drug%20involvement&hl=en&hs=3A9&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&oi=scholart">http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Documented%20evidence%20of%20CIA%20drug%20involvement&hl=en&hs=3A9&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&oi=scholart</a><br />
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:31 pm
 


The US wants control of the middle east, that's the 'why we are there' answer. Go read State Department documents, it's all there. Canada is handing over all our oil in a treaty that means we supply them even if we need it more-so why would they want to 'break their addiction' to Canadian oil? If anything they'd like to increase it.


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It does seem that Washington is trying to isolate Russia--one country the neo-cons hate but can do little about....they want to pull an orange revolution on Putin I'm sure, but good luck. It doens't look like that is in the cards anymore.

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<blockquote>Maybe the US wants to become independent of Canadian oil and gas</blockquote> I think the US considers the term "Canadian Oil & Gas" an oxymoron. <p>The US wouldn't give up it's virtual backyard in favour of long sea routes.</p> I would think instead that the US wants to put a wedge between Russia and the Middle East, as well as Russia and China. <p>However, I also think we are attributing way too much "logic" to US policies. There was a series of sci-fi stories some time ago, where the world was reduced to forces searching for Armageddon, then fighting it, only to find that it wasn't the final, climactic ka-boom, just another battle in an endless string of battles.And so they would pick themselves up and go off searching for the real thing.</p> With the fundamentalist south in the US having a great influence over the government, and believing themselves to be in the final days leading to Armageddon, it's easy to see the "logic" of US military policy. And hey.....if a buck can be made along the way, why that's just the American Way of Life........<p>---<br>RickW



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