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Title: Everything Is Negotiable, Except with Nature
Topic: Environment
Written By: robertjb
Date: Sunday, December 19 at 22:24
 
By Bill McKibben
 
You Can’t Bargain About Global Warming with Chemistry and Physics
 
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But it basically ignored the two crucial questions: How much carbon will we cut, and how fast?


The answer is: none.

Therefore, "how fast" is moot.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:28 am
 


Sunday, December 26, 2010
A Blizzard of Lies in The New York Times


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By Alan Caruba

“Bundle Up. It’s Global Warming” – December 26, 2010, New York Times opinion article by Judah Cohen. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html?ref=global-home

It’s Orwellian when cold is declared warmth. It’s deceitful and insulting when it occurs in the midst of a huge blizzard shutting down much of the northeast.

I would not even trust the date on the front page of The New York Times because the newspaper long ago lost touch with reality, with sanity, and, one can only assume, readers fleeing to other sources for the news.

When the oft-called “newspaper of record” chooses a day on which Mother Nature is demonstrating what tons of snow and chill air can do to a huge swath of the nation’s northeast with effects reaching Tallahassee, they are either trying to see just how stupid their readers are or doubling down on the global warming hoax they have disseminated since Jim Hansen of NASA’s Goddard Institute declared we’re all doomed back in 1988.

If you want a lesson in Orwell’s “doublethink”, the ability to hold two contradictory thoughts or ideas at the same time, you need only read the first line of Cohen’s article: “The earth continues to get warmer, yet it’s feeling a lot colder outside.” In other words, who are you going to believe? Me? Or your lying eyes?

Judah Cohen is identified as “the director of seasonal forecasting at an atmospheric and environmental research firm.” No further details are offered such as the name of the firm or Cohen’s academic credentials. Is he a meteorologist? If so, he is one of the worst I have ever encountered.

It happens that I know quite a few meteorologists and climate scientists. One of them is Joseph D’Aleo, an American Meteorological Society Fellow, and editor of a science-based Internet site, Ice Cap. Suffice to say, D’Aleo has been one of a hardy band of skeptics that have countered the global warming hoax with hard science, frequently dissecting the bogus “science” put forth by government agencies including National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and other such sources.

In an article titled “Why We Need a New Global Data Set”, D’Aleo wrote the following:

“As I showed in the first analysis, the long term global temperature trends in their data bases have been shown by numerous peer review papers to be exaggerated by 30% to 50% and in some cases much more by issues such as uncorrected urbanization (urban heat island), land use changes, bad siting, bad instrumentation, and ocean measurement techniques that changed over time.”

“NOAA made matters worse by removing the satellite ocean temperature measurement which provide more complete coverage and was not subject to the local issues except near the coastlines and islands.”

‘The result has been the absurd and bogus claims by NOAA and the alarmists that we are in the warmest decade in 100 or even a 1000 years or more and our oceans are warmest ever.”

While Cohen is parroting the World Meteorological Organization’s latest claim that “2010 will probably be among the three warmest years on record, and 2001 through 2010 the warmest decade on record” in England, the Daily Mail was reporting on December 5 that “Britain, just as it was last winter and the winter before, was deep in the grip of a cold snap, which has seen some temperatures plummet to minus 20C, and that here 2010 has been the coolest year since 1996.”

This parallels the weather occurring now in the U.S. where new low temperature records are being set while cities like Columbia, S.C., had its first significant Christmas snow since weather records were first kept in 1887!

Suffice to say that Cohen’s article repeats the usual blather about melting Artic sea ice while waiting until the very end to admit that “the Eastern United States, North Europe and East Asia have experienced extraordinary snowy and cold winters since the turn of the century.”

A word to all who did not study meteorology; the World Meteorological Organization, a creature of the United Nations is also the mother ship of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

The IPCC, responsible for the Kyoto Protocols that called for limits on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions, was totally discredited in 2009 when the exchange of thousands of emails revealed its chief perpetrators of the global warming hoax were manipulating the climate data it reported.

To trust the WMO or IPCC at this point in time is futile and dangerous. To trust the garbage coming out of NOAA, GISS and other government entities purporting to predict the climate is also to trust the Environmental Protection Agency that will announce in January 2011 its plans to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, claiming they are “causing” a global warming that is not happening.

Americans are being deliberately misled by rogue government agencies with no scientific justification for their continued existence.

As for The New York Times, it is unfit to line the bottom of a canary’s birdcage.
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/12/blizzard-of-lies-in-new-york-times.html


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:39 am
 


It can snow in Winter. Who knew?


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Rain in Nunavut in the winter;
The permafrost is melting.

Sure signs of global cooling.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:50 am
 


Yea?

The temperature right now is -31 degrees C in Alert. When did you say the permafrost started melting. Shouldn't the Alaska pipeline have sunk by now if the permafrost was melting?

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-22_metric_e.html


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Look it up yourself. Go talk with the residents up there. New phenom - having to scrape ice off cars, etc. Also, uncommon warmth creating "more daylight" when it should be pitch black.

As for -31 in Alert, well it IS winter, isn't it (like Dr. C. says)?

Rain in New Brunswick in December.



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Milton Milton:
Shouldn't the Alaska pipeline have sunk by now if the permafrost was melting?
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-22_metric_e.html

http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&h ... h&aq=f&oq=



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:17 am
 


-31 at Alert isn't even significant. It's average.

http://www.grc.k12.nf.ca/climatecanada/alert.htm

Iqualuit is looking at a heatwave, being a high of -9, mean highs of -17! It's usually -22 historically today, and before Christmas they had single digit highs below zero. At 92% humidity too!

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/canu0014

Perth, Australia is seeing the worst heat since . . . last year when it killed 37 people. And flooding, that's bad too.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 5978806936

And Toronto could see double digit highs tomorrow.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/ ... ar523.html

That the trouble with picking a single data point as a 'trend' Milton. There will be multiple other points that show a different trend. And none of them matter. It's the year over year, decade over decade trends that show the real pattern. Averages are built up this way, and they are what matters - how the average changes.


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That is right, that is what I have been trying to show you. When you look at the data we have collected from Greenland ice cores for the last 10,500 years you find that 9100 of those years had significantly higher temperatures than 1934, 1998 or 2010.

Dec 27, 2010
2010 - where does it fit in the warmest year list?

By Dr. Don Easterbrook http://www.icecap.us/
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1934 has long been considered the warmest year of the past century. A decade ago, the closest challenger appeared to be 1998, a super-el nino year, but it trailed 1934 by 0.54C (0.97F). Since then, NASA GISS has “adjusted” the U.S. data for 1934 downward and 1998 upward (see December 25, 2010 post by Ira Glickstein) in an attempt to make 1998 warmer than 1934 and seemingly erased the original rather large lead of 1934 over 1998.
The last phases of the strong 2009-2010 El Nino in early 2010 made this year another possible contender for the warmest year of the century. However, December 2010 has been one of the coldest Decembers in a century in many parts of the world, so 2010 probably won’t be warmer than 1998. But does it really matter?

Regardless of which year wins the temperature adjustment battle, how significant will that be? To answer that question, we need to look at a much longer time frame-centuries and millennia.

One of the best ways to look at long-term temperatures is with isotope data from the GISP2 Greenland ice core, from which temperatures for thousands of years can be determined. The ice core isotope data were obtained by Minze Stuiver and Peter Grootes from nuclear accelerator measurements of thousands of oxygen isotope ratios (16O/18O), which are a measure of paleo-temperatures at the time snow fell that was later converted to glacial ice. The age of such temperatures can be accurately measured from annual layers of accumulation of rock debris marking each summer's melting of ice and concentration of rock debris on the glacier.

Two episodes of global warming and two episodes of global cooling occurred during the past century:
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/don1.JPG"

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/don5.JPGFigure 5. Temperatures over the past 10,000 years recorded in the GISP2 Greenland ice core.


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So where do the 1934/1998/2010 warm years rank in the long-term list of warm years? Of the past 10,500 years, 9,100 were warmer than 1934/1998/2010. Thus, regardless of which year ( 1934, 1998, or 2010) turns out to be the warmest of the past century, that year will rank number 9,099 in the long-term list. The climate has been warming slowly since the Little Ice Age (Fig. 5), but it has quite a ways to go yet before reaching the temperature levels that persisted for nearly all of the past 10,500 years.

The past 500 years

Temperature oscillations recorded in Greenland ice cores over the past 500 years (Fig. 2) are truly remarkable. At least 40 periods of warming and cooling have occurred since 1480 AD, all well before CO2 emissions could have been a factor.
Figure 2. Warming and cooling periods from 1480 to 1960 ADhttp://icecap.us/images/uploads/don2.JPG



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Other world climate alarm bells chimed when it was reported in the media that September 2007 satellite images revealed that the Northwest Passage--a sea route between the U.K. and Asia across the top of the Arctic Circle--had opened up for the first time in recorded history. (This “recorded history” dates back only to 1979 when satellite monitoring first began, and it should also be noted that the sea route froze again just a few months later (winter 2007-2008).

The Northwest Passage has certainly opened up before. Diary entries of a sailor named Roald Amundson confirm clear passage in 1903, as do those of a Royal Canadian Mounted Police Arctic patrol crew that made regular trips through there in the early 1940s. And in February 2009 it was discovered that scientists had previously been underestimating the re-growth of Arctic sea ice by an area larger than the state of California (twice as large as New Zealand). The errors were attributed to faulty sensors on the ice.

But these aren’t the sorts of observations that most people generally receive from the media. Instead, they present sensational statements and dramatic images that leave lasting impressions of calving glaciers, drowning polar bears and all manner of other man-caused climate calamities.
The above quote is from a Dec 31, 2010 article (Hot Sensations Vs. Cold Facts By Dr. Larry Bell) at http://www.icecap.us




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We used to have down to - 52 C here in Central BC and it used to go down to -40 -45 for weeks in every winter. The last time we had any length of -40 C that would have killed off the pine beetle eggs was in 1995. Consequently we have millions of acres of dead pines everywhere we look. Luckily, we only had a few pines on our land, but they've all been killed and we chopped them.

Right now we have -3 C.

Milton, are you by any chance a supporter of Harper ?

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http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/s ... topstories
Iqaluit experiences its warmest December



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I am not a supporter of the conservative party or Harper, I don't vote Liberal either.

Do you guys know the difference between climate and weather? We can trade this years highs and lows all day long, that is not climate that is weather.

If there is such a strong case for AGW why do they not publish their data. They got caught cherry picking data and falsifying data. Now they refuse to publish. They don't have a case and they know it. Their solution, even if carbon was the problem, won't fix anything but it will drain our wallets and give the money to rich people in poor countries.

They continuously , almost a 24/7 basis, spray aerosols at cirrus cloud levels and higher and at those altitudes they cause warming by reflecting the heat portion of the EM spectrum back to ground or sea level. Yea, I know, some of you manage not to observe what is going on in front of your faces. If you don't know what to look for, download "Don't talk about the weather", it will clue you in. It is available on youtube as well.





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Who are they and why are they doing such nasty things?



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Keep watching and you will get more food for thought andyt.

Ed, you live in BC, take a trip to Vancouver island and talk to Bill and Celia Abram, Bill is into real economics too so it will be doubly worth while for you.



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