[sthompson]

<strong>Written By:</strong> sthompson
<strong>Date:</strong> 2004-10-20 13:21:00
<a href="/article/132129291-hear-mel-hurtig-speak-online">Article Link</a>

Tom Hicks of Necessary Voices has been kind enough to post a recording of one of Mel's talks to that site. Just click here: <a href="http://www.necessaryvoices.org/audio_archive.html#Missile_Defence_Shield">http://www.necessaryvoices.org/audio_archive.html#Missile_Defence_Shield</a> <p>

[whelan costen]

Wow the book is great, but hearing him speak is absolutely awesome and inspiring!

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

[Guest]

has Mel ever talked about the declining Canadian birthrate and how it's tied to women's hard won efforts for legal equality? If you ever want to push a country (a race) into decline, advocating birth control and abortion is a fine place to start. I've never seen or heard him advocate large families as a way of stopping the tide of 'multi-cult' immigration. You want to build a strong Nationalist Canada Mel, then why aren't you promulgating policies that strengthen native born fathers and husbands, for example, loosening up the bigamy laws, and laying off the jackbooted, ball breaking, snivel servants, cops and lawyers that make a career out of screwing men in the JUST US system on child support payments/no access.

Sorry Susan, but the leftist nationalist policies don't square with a strong Canada, it feeds into the hands of the NWO (New World Order - Corporate Fascism) and UN (United Nations) agenda of global governance. Anyone catch the latest on China buying up our resources? I expect Mel to stand defiantly opposed as though he leads the dissatisfied nationalist cause, but of course, as ineffective as usual. No, he's not a leader of the people, he's a representative of the governing class sent to pretend he's the leader, thereby stifling real dissent.

Sorry Susan, Mel is not hardline enough. He's too old and out of touch. Susan I want to see every native born woman of child bearing age in Canada that doesn't have any kids or is divorced/separated, MARCHING on the street. They have been SCREWED into a life of wage servitude and robbed of their men. Tick tock, tick tock, the biological clock is ticking. 1.47 child for every man and woman is not enough. Better learn Hindi and Chinese and practise your kowtow.

[Guest]

sorry, that should be 1.47 for every COUPLE. Canadian native born folk are not even repopulating themselves. When it comes to "Nationalist" priorities, does it matter if the book is published in Canada or written by a chain smoker Margaret (dead) or the "Survival" Margaret (who doesn't take her own advise)? way to go Canada

[Perturbed]

Yes I know, replacement level is 2.1 children/women, meaning most need to have 2 kids, and some need to have 3 kids just to keep the population stable.

Almost all of the baby boomers I know of had either 1 kid or no kids.

[whelan costen]

I am not getting this post at all, why is it Mel's responsibility to promote Canadian birth? He is not a politician, he is a writer, was a politician, he is a patriotic man,but is he alone suppose to do everything? This is a strange comment. Also I think there are many factors involved in the declining birth rate, one is that people are reluctant to bring children into the world, when they can hardly feed themselves. The minimum wage, the lack of full time employment, the cost of electricity and gas, the cost of housing, the cost of education, etc etc. You can't blame Mel Hurtig for this stuff, you better look at the Liberal and Conservative governments of the last 20 years, and better still look within, because we voted them into power.

By the sounds of the post above, you don't think women should be allowed to vote, or work, sounds like choice is not an option for women in your book!

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

[Guest]

Mel IS a politician, or was anyway, until the National party went nowhere. Personally, I think Mel is an agent of the governing class. The National party was intended to attract ultra nationalists with the intention of being watched. Unfortunately for CSIS it didn't work out. btw, internal security agencies around the world do this thing all the time.

This is a link to a story about the Dutch Secret Service
http://www.rnw.nl/special/en/html/041020dh.html
this drew my attention:

"The best fake Maoists"
One of the most interesting chapters of the book deals with ‘Project Mongol' - a fake Maoist party called the ‘Marxist-Leninist Party of the Netherlands' that was entirely conceived and run by the BVD itself. The purpose was to gain insight into the influence of China on Maoist groups in Europe. The project was so successful that the powers of the day in Beijing saw the MLPN as the ‘best' among the different Maoist fractions in the Netherlands and received its ‘chairman' with due honours. They even gave financial support to the ‘party'. According to Mr Hoekstra, the CIA was closely involved in the operation, which ended in the late 70s."

moving on.....
Costen, you don't get this thread because you're an aspiring politician who is counting on people staying dumb. Because you're one yourself, you would never tell a boomer woman she's been screwed over, that their future has been sold out and replaced with the empty ideals of the State.

[Guest]

oooooooo it gets better and better, more from that link in the last post

"The BVD also successfully penetrated radical left-wing organisations, especially one linked to the West-German RAF (‘Rote Armee Fraktion'), Mr Hoekstra writes in his memoirs. "We were there all the time. We were so well positioned in the cells of that group that we could prevent actions because of the credibility of our source." Frits Hoekstra says that the BVD on purpose kept silent about these operations. "We saw what happened in Germany, with special legislation on terrorism, with the mobilisation of public opinion against the RAF. We tried to prevent that kind of hysteria or even psychosis here in the Netherlands."


"......We were so well positioned in the cells of that group that we could prevent actions because of the credibility of our source...."

[Perturbed]

Interestubg anonymous, but you'll have to give us more information about Mel. You must admit that Mel has done many positive things for Canada. I think many do get the impression he knows more than he says, but we can't prove anything. Perhaps he just wants to be relevant to more people. He DOES tell people they've been sold out, so please be mroe specific.

It is written on the internet that Mel ran for the Liberals in 1972, and was a member of the Canadian Institute of International Affairs, an elitist parallel organization of the American Council on Foreign Relation (CFR), but the fact Mel was involved in the Liberal Party and this organization doesn't mean he liked them--he's not involved anymore, is he? The main membership of CIIA is available on the internet, it's not a secret.....

As for the National Party, yes it was funded by a rich guy, but maybe Mel still got what he wanted--a sounding board. It is written that some wanted to take votes away from the NDP in the west, and the National Party got what, 200,000 votes? However, Mel could have seen how mediocre Ed Broadbent's leadership was during the FTA election, and decided screw the NDP--I'm running because they suck--which they did, and still do on the FTA/NAFTA issue.

Response?

[whelan costen]

Sorry guys you'll have to do alot better than that to discredit Mel Hurtig, if you read his books,you'll see he isn't working for anybody, except maybe the masses with their eyes closed. He has done more to awaken the sleeping giant, called the populous than any other Canadian in the last 10 years maybe more. I don't see any ulterior motive or connection to the corporate agenda. What I see is a man who has lived, experience politics, been on the inside and so he knows the players and knows what is going on in this country. If you don't want to take his advice, it's still a free country, for now anyway.

As for anon, saying I am an aspiring polticians so therefore I wouldn't tell the truth to women....ah I am a woman, thanks. I have no hidden agenda, I believe woman have the right to have children or not, you cited the dead beat dads not paying child support, somehow that is the fault of women? You point to women as responsible for divorce also, just wondering if there is anything else you could blame on women? Perhaps you have some gender issues? I actually think that the decision to bring children into the world is the responsibility of both parents, and it is their job to raise them, to support them etc.

If the political agenda wasn't to support corporations instead of people, we might not have a decline in population. Rising costs of living is not helping the situation and since there are by far more men making the decisions at the top, I don't think you can blame that all on the women.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

[Perturbed]

Personally I really like the guy, from what I've seen of him.....it would be interesting if he'd tell us more though.