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Title: Quebec Separation: Be Careful What You Wish For
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Date: Sunday, March 30 at 19:32







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As is so often the case when Quebec comes up in the news, the current provincial election has led to a lot of people calling for that province to simply leave Canada once and for all. However, I'm not sure that the people, both inside and outside Quebec, who want la belle province to leave have thought through exactly what the implications would be...
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I've often said that Quebec politicians mainly fall into two camps. Both camps agree on the idea that the Quebecois should be running a country. They just disagree on the country.

Given recent events in the Crimea though, perhaps the separatists should change their approach and instead of holding a referendum on becoming their own country, they should hold one on Quebec rejoining France, and have French troops on stand-by to enforce a "Oui" outcome if it occurs. Judging by the international community's reaction to the Crimea annexation, there would be little more than token protest.


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Most Quebeckers have thankfully awakened to the fact that the banker corporate mafia are the ones trying to play on all of our emotional rsentments. Most Quebeckers know that they are truly better off within a united Canada. Quebeckers now use their brains instead of emotions and do not forget the injustices of the long distant past, but they also know that, as an ethnic group, Quebeckers and french Canadians are not an oppressed people! Divide and conquer tactics no longer work on Quebeckers like it used to. Even during the last referendum, they had to throw out many of the NO votes just to make the vote appear closer!

As for Crimea, the Crimean people actually overwhelmingly voted to rejoin Russia after being senselessly separated from Russia proper during the Soviet times- a bonehead move by the Ukranian Khruschev. And this would not have happened if the western idiots did not send their bought and paid for thugs to go to Ukraine and violently overthrow Yanukovich, a not very nice, but democratically elected president none the less! This is exactly what the banker-corporate criminals want- ethnic and tribal violence which will ultimately lead to another war where it becomes much easier to consolidate power and reshape whole societies only after they have been impoverished and traumatized!



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Dave Ruston Dave Ruston:
Most Quebeckers have thankfully awakened to the fact that the banker corporate mafia are the ones trying to play on all of our emotional rsentments. Most Quebeckers know that they are truly better off within a united Canada. Quebeckers now use their brains instead of emotions and do not forget the injustices of the long distant past, but they also know that, as an ethnic group, Quebeckers and french Canadians are not an oppressed people! Divide and conquer tactics no longer work on Quebeckers like it used to. Even during the last referendum, they had to throw out many of the NO votes just to make the vote appear closer!

As for Crimea, the Crimean people actually overwhelmingly voted to rejoin Russia after being senselessly separated from Russia proper during the Soviet times- a bonehead move by the Ukranian Khruschev. And this would not have happened if the western idiots did not send their bought and paid for thugs to go to Ukraine and violently overthrow Yanukovich, a not very nice, but democratically elected president none the less! This is exactly what the banker-corporate criminals want- ethnic and tribal violence which will ultimately lead to another war where it becomes much easier to consolidate power and reshape whole societies only after they have been impoverished and traumatized!


It must save a lot of thought and effort to be able to just blame every evil under the sun on the same shadowy cabal of rich guys. Ethnic cleansings and genocides? "Their" fault. Soviet collectivization and gulags? "Their" fault. Religious wars? "Their" fault. Terrorism? "Their" fault. I suppose you could blame athlete's foot and rainy days on them as well.

Your worldview sounds basically like David Icke, minus the shape-shifting space lizards (which is admittedly a big difference).


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Yes, yes, I know. This is a common tactic by people like you. Now, I'm really not trying to sound like a know-it -all, but I've been paying REAL close attention to politics and history for quite a long, long, time. Based on my attention,observation, and intense research, this is where the path has led me. Just follow the money! I'm sorry if the lamestream media and school systems have lost credibility. I mean, sure, they trickle some truth, but most is just fluff the powers that be want us to hear.

Now, I do keep an open mind. That's why I'm NEVER finished researching. And if you or anyone can come along and offer a better explanation for the deliberate destruction of our country, and ultimately, all countries, I'd love to hear it! If it makes sense, I'm cautiously buying. If it doesn't make sense, I may disagree, but I won't outright dismiss, for I will explore points that do contradict my worldview, because, I simply can't help but want to know what's going on. Not to mention, I feel that the malevolent forces that want to create a one world government must be destroyed!

As for the David Icke comparison, well, I most certainly do need much more proof before I accept the explanation of shape-shifting lizards. Even in my space-trucking mind, it is certainly far-fetched. But I won't rule it out entirely just yet, either! But yeah, this tactic was well employed after the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who didn't accept the 'official' story was labelled a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Instead of disproving with logic and facts, just attack the character and sanity of the skeptic with ridicule. Thankfully, this tactic is rapidly wearing itself out.



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I understand the appeal of a single, simple explanation for the dark complexity of today's world. It would be very tempting to draw all the lines of culpability to a single actor or set of actors. There are no doubt people who believe that all the world's problems could be solved with a single magazine of bullets. The most tempting thing about that notion is that it absolves the rest of us of our own culpability in making the world a worse place, of our own petty cravings for power over others, of our lack of respect for the rights and very personhood of others. The reality is that we are all messed-up, too-smart-for-our-own-good walking apes, forever struggling to reconcile our intellect and capacity for reason with our animal instincts and fundamental drives. Often we end up with the worst of both worlds in this regard.

The biggest hole I see in this idea of powerful banking and business elites plotting to set up a world government is that if this is really their goal, they suck at implementing it. The League of Nations was a dismal failure and the UN which succeeded it hasn't been terribly effective overall. The UN itself entrenched the "right of self-determination", which combined with the fall of the Soviet Union and its empire led to a proliferation of distinct, independent countries, not a consolidation. And the so-called "unipolar" world which emerged after the Cold War eventually gave way in the wake of American economic decline to something closer to a balance of great powers.

Trade has liberalized somewhat, that's true. And capital is moving around the globe more freely than it did in the past. But neither of these point to a "one world government" sort of scenario. If there is a master plan in motion, it's moving very, very slowly, and in some cases backsliding.


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Individualist Individualist:
just blame every evil under the sun on the same shadowy cabal of rich guys.

You know what they say - if the shoe fits.........



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I've given tons of examples which clearly illustrate this reality. But as they say, you can lead a horse to water...

The league was simply the first major step in the process. Yes, it failed- somewhat, and that's why they orchestrated another world war to push the reset button and create the UN.

Countries that appeared after the fall of the USSR weren't magically created- they were always there, but just given the facade of a newfound independence, as their governments are all puppets too! The American and Canadian economic declines are by design. Same with the rest of the world.

These tapeworms known as the banker-corporate fascists have become more powerful than their wildest dreams- simply by dictating the lending of money, or giving it to friends. I hate to give them credit for anything, but they've actually been very good at implementing their plan. But because they're human ( atleast in appearance) their plan isn't perfect, and yes, people who are aware and oppose the plan have definitely stunted their progress. And actual world leaders who stand up to them and pose a real threat get bombed into the stone age.

I want one of those t-shirts that have the airplane flying, dropping bombs, with the caption that reads, " If you won't come to democracy, democracy will come to you."

But yeah, now new 'trade' agreements modelled after NAFTA are being implemented, giving pirate ships, er, corporations, access to, and control of everything. Creation of the EURO was another step. The AMERO has been postponed due to opposition. And more and more, the UN is actually coming up with global rules, laws, and solutions to trump national sovereignty.



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Dave Ruston Dave Ruston:
I've given tons of examples which clearly illustrate this reality. But as they say, you can lead a horse to water...

The league was simply the first major step in the process. Yes, it failed- somewhat, and that's why they orchestrated another world war to push the reset button and create the UN.

Countries that appeared after the fall of the USSR weren't magically created- they were always there, but just given the facade of a newfound independence, as their governments are all puppets too! The American and Canadian economic declines are by design. Same with the rest of the world.

These tapeworms known as the banker-corporate fascists have become more powerful than their wildest dreams- simply by dictating the lending of money, or giving it to friends. I hate to give them credit for anything, but they've actually been very good at implementing their plan. But because they're human ( atleast in appearance) their plan isn't perfect, and yes, people who are aware and oppose the plan have definitely stunted their progress. And actual world leaders who stand up to them and pose a real threat get bombed into the stone age.

I want one of those t-shirts that have the airplane flying, dropping bombs, with the caption that reads, " If you won't come to democracy, democracy will come to you."

But yeah, now new 'trade' agreements modelled after NAFTA are being implemented, giving pirate ships, er, corporations, access to, and control of everything. Creation of the EURO was another step. The AMERO has been postponed due to opposition. And more and more, the UN is actually coming up with global rules, laws, and solutions to trump national sovereignty.


Being of a rightish libertarian persuasion, I would love to be able to believe that global warming is a hoax concocted by a cabal of left-leaning scientists, academics and politicians to redistribute wealth, force us out of cars and onto public transit, institute economic central planning and concentrate power in the hands of the state. The problem is that such a theory, however ideologically appealing, would be kookery of the highest order.

Putting aside the fact that you can't put eight leftists in a room together without getting at least eight mutually incompatible ideas about how the world should be run, the level of coordination and uniformity of purpose required to pull off such a hoax is too ludicrous even to contemplate. As inconvenient as it is for someone of my worldview, I have no reason to ignore or dismiss evidence of AGW.

Likewise, you would think that a bunch of rich alpha power-mongers would end up at each others throats, or at least broken down into dueling factions, as opposed to working together in concert.


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Well I gotta tell you, I believe global warming is a hoax! If it was such an emergency, then governments, or the powers that be, wouldn't allow the building of all these Mc Mansions we see in suburbia; we wouldn't see people driving around in hummers. The carburetors that got 200 miles per gallon that were invented in the 70's would have been implemented. It's OK for Al Gore to live in a mansion the size of my daughter's high school, but the rest of us must feel guilty for driving! GIVE ME A BREAK! Again, it's about power and control. But sadly, these few power mongers are quite cohesive. It would actually be good for the world if their greed resulted in them engaging in infighting. Could happen. Hope it does!



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$1:
Putting aside the fact that you can't put eight leftists in a room together without getting at least eight mutually incompatible ideas about how the world should be run...


Sounds suspiciously like the way things would be run were everyone "individualists"......



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Waddya mean? Today's fascist capitalism is merely socialism for the rich.



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RickW RickW:
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Putting aside the fact that you can't put eight leftists in a room together without getting at least eight mutually incompatible ideas about how the world should be run...


Sounds suspiciously like the way things would be run were everyone "individualists"......


Individualists don't presume to know how the world should be run. They tend to focus more on running their own lives, and leaving the running of other people's live to those people themselves.


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Individualist Individualist:
Individualists don't presume to know how the world should be run. They tend to focus more on running their own lives, and leaving the running of other people's live to those people themselves.

As indicated by the lack of consensus among these "leftists".......
Individualists (excepting under anarchism perhaps) DO agree that certain rules should be followed, hence the "running of other people's live(s).



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Yeah, well we all should know that the way its being run now, is just plain evil. And unfortunately, since the tapeworms are only giving their coupons out to their friends at the top, coupled with the deliberate destruction of good paying jobs, these actions affect us all, including individualists. Even rich guys are not immune. Hyper-inflate the economy to the point where it costs 500,000,000 dollars to buy a loaf of bread or a litre of gas, and your 10 million in the bank becomes worthless.



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