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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:10 pm
 


<blockquote>What is the matter with the Republican Party? As one born within a tiny, tree-shaded Republican enclave in Missouri, raised by compassionate family-values-oriented Christian conservatives, and whose entire family remains staunchly, even militantly conservative, I think I have earned the right to ask that question. <a href='http://207.44.245.159/article7054.htm'>ICH</a></blockquote> She complains these "neocons" make Nelson "Crisis of Democracy" Rockefeller look good.





PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:34 pm
 


Oop. <i>Crisis of Democracy</i> was more David's than Nelson's...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:57 pm
 


Well, the real conservatives, the "Old Right" are against the warfare-welfare state. Most of these people are against the War because it is the product of the ability of governments to print money and then tax back their surpluses.

A real conservative would be appalled at the huge deficits the Neocons are racking up. Low taxes and high spending today imply high taxes with huge cuts at a later date. Bush understands that he can rack up the debt so long as the buyers of that debt (China, Japan) believe that this war will be won. If they start to question the war on terror, then the US is in trouble.





PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:00 pm
 


I call it America


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:05 pm
 


Gosh, this neocon thing sounded so good that I started googling around to find neocon central to sign up.

Thus far all I've found are various 'Free' and 'New' 'Conservative' sites.

Unfortunately, these generally seem to forward concepts such as the rather hilarious 'creationist' school of 'thought' and champion views that are anti-abortion, anti-homosexual and warped versions of Christianity (the likes of which would have Jesus rolling in his sepulchure, were he still there.).

As these obviously don't represent the neocon utopia you've so kindly described, where members 'see things for what they are rather than through a pre-concieved ideological bias' and possess a 'better understanding of human nature than the ideologically biased, (that allows) neocons much better insight as to how politics can be used to advance human rights and equality of all people', so I'd be grateful to receive the correct neocon central link.

I wasn't sure what to make out of the 'that's understandable because it takes a lot of self-righteous justifications to try and uphold a clapped-out old system of socialist abuses' remark as this isn't applicable to either the U.S. or Canada, so doesn't seem germaine to the discussion.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:43 pm
 


Thank you Dr C for that great description. The Neocons and Neoliberals are one in the same just for the record. Wow, that Power of Nightmares was a history lesson for me!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:39 pm
 


The subject has been a hot topic in all the British newspapers since the legislation was introduced in the Queen's speech.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:44 am
 


the folks at <a href="http://www.bart.org">www.bart.org</a> and <a href="http://www.antiwar.com">www.antiwar.com</a> are much like the folks at the Von Mises Institute or even <a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com">www.strike-the-root.com</a> . Those are real paleo-conservatives . They had the definition of "conservative" before the neocons re-defined it.





PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:01 pm
 


Utterly fascinating.

I'll give 100 bucks to the first person who can tell me how this item relates to Canadian sovereignty.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:49 pm
 


Canadian or American?

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