[4Canada]

You know I had a mother that thought like you. She was obsessed with all things sexual and also had an imagination for the worst sex-case senarios. You must have to be thinking a lot about it to even know about the masturbation in front of an open window law? Do you have experience with this law? I've never heard of it. And, exactly how many people do you see doing this that it has become paramount to enforce these laws while guns are being smuggled across our borders and killing young people? Or maybe these guys are working in tandom. One masturbated in the window to distract the cops while their friends are smuggling guns across the border.

Now you've go my imagination going.

Frankly I would rather the supreme shithouse attendent speak for me than someone with so much time on their hands that they know about the masturbation in front of an open window law.

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"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

[mk]

"Peter did the right thing"

Yes, that is the Right thing these days isn't it? Ends justifying the means.

I'm starting to worry that the "platform" the CPC is floating is going to turn out be BS.

[Guest]

"Yes, that is the Right thing these days isn't it? Ends justifying the means."

In this case, you're damn right the end justified the means. Orchard needed to go.

Imagine if a rabidly pro-American, pro-business individual tried to take over the NDP (or CAP for that matter) at a vulnerable point in its history by bussing in a bunch of his personal followers and dressing up his right-wing policies as "traditonal Canadian socialism". You wouldn't begrudge the New Democrats seeking to purge such an individual, would you?

[Wayne Coady]

What do you mean who will speak for Canada? Who has been spealking and standing up for Canada so far?
Surely you do not think thsat this present political system has been speaking up for Canada, my god.. all they have been doing in Ottawa is kissing George W Bush's American ass and selling off our natural resourses.

The only time this will change is when "we" kick their corrupt asses out of Ottawa and replace them with an ACCOUNTABLE political structure.

We do this by not supporting the present system , do not vote.

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Good government is not a party government

[mk]

"You wouldn't begrudge the New Democrats seeking to purge such an individual, would you?"

No - if done legally, i.e. according to the party's operating constitution and the law of the land

Yes - if done illegally, absolutely

The danger always starts when rule of law is subverted for what the governed accept to be noble reasons. Look south. And don't call me an "anti-american" for suggesting it, that's about as pro-american (and for that matter, traditionally conservative) a statement as could be made.

Corruption of the criminal variety (liberal adscam) is despicable, but it can be prosecuted with the law intact. Corruption of the body politic itself is far more insidious.

[Innes]

Come on Wayne, you know that by not voting you are giving tacit support to the current system. In order to change the system you have to work within the system.

Stephen Harper does not like the system as well but he has worked through the system and it looks like he will be able to make the kind of radical changes he wants. It may not in the same direction that you think we should be moving because it gives even more power to the economic elite and makes the party system an even more exclusive private club.

You cannot drive a the car by refusing to get behind the wheel.

[Wayne Coady]

No my friend that is not right.. I do not support crime and I hope you feel that in order for me to protest against crime I must take part, is that how you feel?

I look at these political parties in the same way as I would look at a "cult" or criminal organization, I not about to take part in a political system that has been proven far to many time to be corrupt.

By voting I legitimize their process and it is their process and system , that is the problem, so why would I want to do that, it does not make good sense. I would not join the Hells Angles or the Mafia , because I do not agree with their system and they too are political orientated .

So I will stick with the millions of other Canadian and not support a failed tarnished old political system of corruption.

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Good government is not a party government

[Innes]

"I look at these political parties in the same way as I would look at a "cult" or criminal organization, I not about to take part in a political system that has been proven far to many time to be corrupt."

This means that to you, because I care enough to try to actively change things, you see me as a criminal. That kind of prejudice is really sad. What would you charge me with? Altruism?

Are you an anarchist?

[Wayne Coady]

No I never said that Innis. If you are happy with the present political party cult, then stay with it.. I and millions of other Canadian do not like this present electorial system.. we do not get accountability when these parties abuse our trust and the power they get when voted in.

It quite simple if the present system could be fixed, then it would have , but those oligarch's within the party structure have the money and the power, they control the direction of these cults and people such as you who are members, are to weak to clean the party you belong to up.

I just do not understand why you are willing to live with the fact that less than 2% of the voting population should dictate to a population of over 30 million. Then once in power they can mismanage our taxes , break election promises and line the pockets of their party friend at the expense of the tax payers infrastructure.

We need a more balanced governing structure, what is wrong with a PR or a mixed political structure.. what would be wrong with setting up a governing system like they have in Scotland / Switzerland for example? Why not set up a government structure that would be more accountable and open to the people it is serving?

I cannot vote for the present system and will not. But what have you done within the party you belong to clean it up?




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Good government is not a party government

[boflaade]

>>So I will stick with the millions of other Canadian and not support a failed tarnished old political system of corruption. <<

If only millions more would spit on the ballot as well. NO votes will be recognized over "voting them out" rather then voting them in. Most of the posts here refer to whom the don't want in. How can anyone want to vote any of them IN. The "lesser" of evils is still evil.