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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:06 pm
 


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:08 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
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:( But I want you to argue! Agreement gets us nowhere. ;)

Well, I won't argue.

You should. You are our therapy llama. DrCaleb needs to release the stress via arguing.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:09 pm
 


No I don't.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:09 pm
 


Well, I wont argue.

Wait, is this a 5 or 10 post argument?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:10 pm
 


It's an intervention.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:12 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
Wait, is this a 5 or 10 post argument?


I was thinking the same skit too. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:14 pm
 


Childish minds think alike. Thank you Monty Python.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:15 pm
 


Funnier than some SNL skits


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:30 pm
 


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Funnier than most SNL skits

Fixed...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:39 am
 


The Liberal Government Hands $42 Billion in Construction Projects to China at Expense of Canadians

GlobeNewswireAugust 20, 2019, 7:03 AM PDT

MARKHAM, Ontario, Aug. 20, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The federal government announced on August 9, 2019, that it will be granting full duty remissions on illegally dumped fabricated steel from China to supply two liquid natural gas (LNG) projects located in British Columbia. Their recent action was announced with their assurance that “trade barriers would not be permitted to stand in the way of these historic private sector investments”.

The two projects involved are LNG Canada and Woodfibre LNG, both located on the coast of B.C. The partners in LNG Canada are made up of a consortium of investors of which include China. These two LNG projects will be#modularized, meaning they will be built in smaller shippable pieces with all the equipment and components preinstalled. The modules will be connected on site, requiring very few construction workers. Essentially, in doing so, the largest project ever in the history of Canada will be handed over to Chinese businesses and workers.

“The announcement was very disappointing,” says Ed Whalen, President & CEO of the Canadian Institute of Steel Construction (CISC). “These two projects, if done in Canada, would have created hundreds of thousands of construction jobs for all trades across the country. Projects like these employ skilled workers from all over Canada and not just in the local area. This is a hundreds-of-thousands-of-jobs-lost kind of mistake.”
The duties on fabricated structural steel have been implemented by the Canadian International Trade Tribunal (CITT) under the Special Import Measure Act (SIMA) after proof that China, South Korea and Spain were found to be illegally dumping into Canada. An appeal of the CITT’s decision is currently still pending in the Federal Court of Appeal.

“The government has called SIMA and the rulings of the CITT ‘trade barriers’ in their announcement! For the Government of Canada to call their own fair trade process a trade barrier is dumbfounding,” says Whalen. This statement will send shock waves across all Canadian industries contemplating future capital investment and their viability in Canada.”

Last fall, the federal government provided $375 million of taxpayers’ money to LNG Canada to encourage the project to go ahead. Interestingly, the maximum duty on steel from China would have been $375 million in total cost.

“For the Liberal government to double down with a remission was not necessary. They got their duty money last fall and now they get it twice,” says Whalen. “Minister Morneau also stated last fall the government would let the legal process take its course before any further action by government. The Liberal remission appears to be a pre-emptive move to override or influence the courts.”

Modules are custom for each construction project. Canada has been assembling modules for many years with the projects like those in Alberta. The argument that Canada does not or can’t do this work is false. What is true is that international oil and gas companies want the lowest cost, China’s illegal dumping and subsidizing provides that, the government of Canada will offer the legal framework to allow this to happen and Canadian construction workers no longer have access to projects in Canada.

BACKGROUND
The CITT levied trade duties against China in June 2017. China was proven to be illegally dumping fabricated steel into Canada at up to 48 per cent, in addition to illegally subsidizing its industry at up to $2,300 per metric tonne. Since then, a number of LNG companies have requested waivers on these duties in order to complete any related projects with the use of illegally dumped Chinese fabricated structural steel and modules.

ABOUT CISC
The Canadian Institute of Steel Construction (CISC) is Canada’s voice for the steel construction industry, providing leadership in sustainable design, construction, efficiency, quality and innovation.

The Canadian steel construction sector is a vibrant $5 billion industry, which employs over 130,000 people in its supply chain.

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(905) 604-3231 ext. 107
mambat@cisc-icca.ca

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This election should be about more than which leader sucks. Alas, it won't be: Neil Macdonald

Just outside the lovely Ottawa Valley town of Manotick, in a cluster of pricey homes plunked down in a former cornfield, some clever bugger has plastered an election sign on one of his walls.

TRUDEAU SUCKS, it announces, in giant yellow letters visible to cars on the adjacent highway.

I'm guessing the homeowner is a Conservative; the riding is, after all, represented by Pierre Poilievre, a Tory attack hound from the Stephen Harper era, and besides, New Democrats just don't have the sophistication or sparkling wit it takes to craft a message like that one.

In a sense, though, the sign does nicely capture the current election campaign – a contest of angry resentment, invective, ad hominem hurling and spewing: Trudeau is a callow dauphin, a pretty socialite of low intellect, Scheer is a fundie, a religiously bigoted poodle of the far right. (Jagmeet Singh is mostly just ignored).

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Ideas, if there are any, seem submerged in the green bile. I don't know the fellow with the big sign in Manotick, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of those wags who calls the prime minister "Turdeau," a witticism you often see in the open sewer of readers' comments on news websites.

To the Manotick fellow, no doubt, the fact that we appear to be headed into a recession, hoping central banks protect us as trade wars play hell with our economies and threaten our personal finances, facing the catastrophic costs of climate change not down the road sometime, but right now, or at least when the rivers begin to rise again next spring, is all secondary to just getting rid of Trudeau, because, you know, Trudeau sucks.
Lack of vision

That's not to say there aren't people of goodwill who find Trudeau disappointing. There are. I'm one of them. I do not see a coherent fiscal vision in his government, other than unfocused spending. I do not hear any plan for sheltering Canadians from the next global financial crisis, which is coming for all of us as surely as arthritis is stalking the boomers.

His piddling, refundable carbon tax is not changing energy consumption habits. It merely signals that as a long-term goal. I hear nothing about floodproofing Canadian homes and entire Canadian communities, which must be done and which will cost unimaginable amounts and will require national leadership.

And apart from the NDP, (I am discounting the Liberal's proposal for first-time homeowners as nothing but a few drops), I hear no serious talk about whether government can intervene to help an entire generation for whom housing seems out of reach for life. (Spare me warnings of socialism; all three big federal parties, including supposedly free market Conservatives, favour the price-fixing that allows farmers to sell dairy and poultry at inflated prices, among other programs).

Instead we have Trudeau's treacly platitudes, coordinated with his Stepford-wives ministers. They grate; either he and his team are incapable of giving straight answers, or don't think voters need them.

I'm inclined to believe the latter, judging by the now-deleted tweet his environment minister, Catherine McKenna, sent out last spring, after a festive evening in a Newfoundland bar. The tweet contained a video of a smiling McKenna explaining that "if you actually say it louder, we've learned in the House of Commons, if you repeat it, if you say it louder, if that is your talking point, people will totally believe it!"

And what are the Liberals' election talking points, in this age of environmental insecurity and economic anxiety?

That Andrew Scheer is scary.

He's scary because he does not support a woman's right to abortion, and because he seems to harbour some sort of animus toward gay and transgender people.

Perhaps he does; it would be helpful to know if he still considers, as he declared in 2005, that gays are unfit for marriage because they cannot "naturally" have children (neither can lots of heterosexuals). It's also reasonable to conclude he doesn't want to be around gays at all, given his refusal to take part in Pride parades. I suppose some Canadians still hang on to attitudes like that.

But scary? I don't know. Religious, certainly, with all the heavy moral compulsion that implies. Hopelessly dull, perhaps, and unprepossessing.

Looking at his ideas, though, I don't see scary. Actually, I don't see much.
Conservative campaign strategy

He recognizes climate change is a serious threat, but his plan is even more pusillanimous than Trudeau's. He will somehow change everyone's behaviour by killing the carbon tax and lowering the price on fuel. He wouldn't balance the federal budget in the next four years, either.

To be fair, apart from his weird attacks on the Canada Food Guide and his opposition to water, as opposed to milk, as a primary means of self-hydration, he hasn't revealed most of his election platform yet.

But the thrust of his campaign is clear enough: Trudeau Sucks.

Trudeau is a hypocrite, Trudeau is a "lawbreaker," Trudeau might even be a criminal. Earlier this month, at a public event in New Brunswick, Trudeau greeted Scheer, calling him "Andrew." Scheer, wired for sound with his own camera rolling, pompously replied by calling Trudeau a liar.

. . .



https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/electio ... -1.5260586



And that about sums up our choices this election cycle. :(


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:01 am
 


They all suck... some more than others.

I saw the Conservative TV ad where they promise to lower the cost of living. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:09 am
 


The good thing about not having TV, no political ads!

Did they say how they were going to lower the cost of living while maintaining government revenue and infrastructure spending without crippling the economy?

No, I didn't think so. ;)


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Canadians frustrated by state of democracy, study says

A majority of Canadians feel alienated by the country's political system, with a rising number turning to populism and anti-immigrant ideology, according to a new study from Simon Fraser University.

The 61-page study, titled State of Democracy + Appeal of Populism, found nearly 60 per cent of Canadians are only "moderately convinced" Canada should be governed by a representative democracy, a figure that has grown 15 per cent since 2017.

Close to half of the survey's 3,500 participants told SFU's Morris J. Wosk Centre for Dialogue they don't believe Canada is governed democratically.

Shauna Sylvester, the centre's executive director, said this latest polling continues a troubling recent trend in Canada, albeit one that is not unique to this country.

"Most of us don't think that elected officials care what we think," Sylvester told guest host Laura Lynch on CBC's The Early Edition. "This says to me Canadians want in. They value democracy. They want it to change. They want in."

Support for populism on the rise

Almost 70 per cent of the survey's participants feel government officials don't care what ordinary Canadians think, and a majority of the respondents said they believe voting offers little influence on how a government is actually run.

In this climate of disillusionment, Canadians are embracing populism. The survey found that politicians who purport to stand up for the "common people" over "the elite" appealed to 80 per cent of those polled.

Anti-immigrant sentiment is also on the rise.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:42 am
 


This is how the PPC wins, maybe not this election.. but maybe in one or two more elections they could form government.


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