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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 5:57 pm
 


I'm in Québec guys... I speak English maybe once a week if I'm lucky. The only place I write in English is here.

So don't be so f**king lazy and give me a chance. :lol:


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Thing is, I don't understand your ABC comment... plus it's underlined and bold so it must be important. But sometimes I'm stupid like that. :wink:

Anyone but conservatives.


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Thing is, I don't understand your ABC comment... plus it's underlined and bold so it must be important. But sometimes I'm stupid like that. :wink:

Anybody but conservative?

You beat me to it sir.


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:44 am
 


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A vote for Bernier is a vote for Trudeau.


Explain.

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Splitting the vote. If the two conservative candidates get 25% each and the Liberal candidate gets 30, Liberals win, even though much more wanted a conservative candidate.

Same deal with seats. Seats taken from the PC's make it more likely that we get a minority Liberal government, even with more seats on the con side unless they band together to form government.

This is something that could easily happen in this election.


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This is something that could easily happen in this election.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if between the two right wing parties, if they get more seats than the liberals, they form a coalition of sorts.


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:53 pm
 


Bernier's party won't get a single seat, not if they're running batshit conspiracy theorists as candidates. The same hard-core right-wing crap failed for Derek Fildebrandt in Alberta so odds are good it'll fail at the national level too. Canada, for all it's many flaws and never-ending hypocrisy, hasn't turned into Hungary or Trumpmerica, not yet anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:14 am
 


raydan wrote:
I'm in Québec guys... I speak English maybe once a week if I'm lucky. The only place I write in English is here.

So don't be so f**king lazy and give me a chance. :lol:

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The PPC will come out of nowhere and form a government this October. Scheer is too much like Trudope, and people are tired of the same old establishment.

Maxime Bernier is the only clear choice this time around.

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ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL

Maxime Bernier is probably the most incompetent dumbfuck in Ottawa. His only significant accomplishment as a Cabinet minister was to get kicked to the backbenches by Stephen Harper after he left confidential documents at the home of his Hells Angels-allied girlfriend.

Here's what a few media outlets have had to say about him and his gong show of a party:

First, an interview with one of the PPC's early organizers who was originally inspired by Bernier:

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The Quebec MP promised the goal of the People's Party of Canada (PPC) would be to shrink government, end Canada's supply management system and cut immigration numbers, among other things.

But in the months since, Isidorou says the party's strategy — particularly on social media — has taken a sharp turn, with a greater focus on social issues and candidates he describes as "crazies."

"We noticed that there were certain individuals attracted to the party for all the wrong reasons," Isidorou said.

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Though Isidorou recognizes that some might see his free speech advocacy and the party's rhetoric as one in the same, Isidorou says there's a difference between conservative pundits like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson — whom he supports — and the candidates that Bernier is backing.

"Neither Dr. Peterson nor Mr. Shapiro have said ... 'Let's make Muslims swim back to the Middle East,'" Isidorou argued, referring to now-deleted tweets allegedly written by Vancouver South PPC candidate Alain Deng. "These are things that candidates, new candidates of the party, have said.

"As someone who's really deep down in this rabbit hole of the culture on the right, I can tell you that it's really not the same. It's much much darker."

When asked how he feels about the party's approach and Bernier's leadership, Isidorou said he has two perspectives to share: a PG-13 version and the R-rated one.

In the former, Bernier is a "hands-off leader" that gives the party's reins to spokesperson Martin Masse. In the latter, "Max knows exactly what he's doing," Isidorou said. "His intention is to get as much attention as possible in this coming election."

When it comes to the October federal election, Isidorou says his experience with the PPC has shaken him.

"I'm heartbroken that this is what's happened."



From veteran pundit Chantal Hebert:

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Eight months after he bolted from the Conservative Party and with the clock ticking to the October general election, the buzz that attended Maxime Bernier’s stormy departure from Andrew Scheer’s caucus to create a rival conservative party has dissipated.

Bernier has so far failed to parlay the significant political capital he had accumulated as a CPC leadership front-runner into a lasting electoral down payment for his People’s Party. If anything, he has depleted that capital.

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This week, Nanos reported that only one in six Canadians believes Bernier has the qualities required of a leader — a rating that puts him at the bottom of leaders’ pile, below his Green Party and Bloc Québécois rivals.

As for the People’s Party, it barely registers in the national polls, with its score in voting intentions currently hovering between 1% and 3%.

Increasingly, Bernier comes across as a politician clutching at policy straws.

Earlier this month, he (or whoever uses his name on the social media) spent the better part of a week ranting against the Liberal suggestion that federally regulated employers provide free feminine hygiene products to their employees.

Whatever one may think about the government proposal, a battle against free tampons hardly qualifies as a hill to die — or even fight — on.



Here's that same riding executive again, for IPolitics:

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Or was he? When I emailed PPC spokesperson Martin Masse, he was categorical: Deng certainly was not. “He is not in our database,” Masse wrote in an email. I took him at his word and filed the ensuing piece, in which among other things my colleagues and I catalogued the rather prominent anti-Muslim strain within the party. But not Deng! He was but a hanger-on, according to Masse.

And yet this assertion, in the words of Angelo Isidorou, was “a big fat lie.”

Isidorou is a former PPC executive who has since become an outspoken critic of the party. Attracted to the libertarian, free speech planks espoused by the party and its founder/leader, former Conservative MP Maxime Bernier, Isidorou became disillusioned with the PPC for failing to disavow with what he called “the crazies” who had attached themselves to the party. Among them: Alain Deng, whom Isidorou confirmed was part of the Burnaby South riding association. He was only let go last December, Isidorou said, when I emailed the riding executive regarding Deng’s many bon mots, including his (since-deleted) tweeted contention that federal Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen should “swim” and/or otherwise go “back to Somalia.” (I asked Masse via email about the apparent discrepancy between his words and the truth. He didn’t respond.)

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Because Deng is illustrative of how the PPC has gone from upstart party to potential threat to a veritable clown car in less than a year. It’s also indicative of a lost opportunity to realign the rightward flank of this country’s political spectrum at the exact moment when such things are de rigueur here and beyond. Far from being an isolated case, it seems loud, hateful and fundamentally unelectable elements within the party have taken over. “We always thought we would outnumber the crazies. Now the crazies outnumber everyone else,” Isidorou says now.

o be sure, attracting such types is inevitable in a libertarian-minded party. “When I came to the PPC, the overall ethos was, ‘Look, it’s a new party and it’s going to attract people who are problematic.’ But with proper policies, a constitution, a national board, we would ice the crazies out,” Isidorou says.

Today, less than 250 days after Bernier officially registered the PPC in a hail of Twitter invective, the party has no constitution, no national board and little in the way of policies. Instead, it has Bernier and Masse — who, according to Isidorou, is largely responsible for the surreal, malignant Twitter stream appearing under Bernier’s name.



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I usually create a new thread for my punditry in my local newspaper, but this thread is an appropriate place to put it in:

We have a prime minister facing his first re-election bid, and two rookies leading the main opposition parties. Unfortunately, Justin Trudeau, Andrew Scheer and Jagmeet Singh have all shown serious lapses in judgment since they took over, which doesn’t bode well for Canada’s future.

When he first became NDP leader, Jagmeet Singh got off to a really good start when he skilfully handled a bigoted heckler who falsely accused him of wanting to impose sharia law on Canada. Unfortunately, he then wasted the next 18 months thinking he could ‘lead’ the NDP from outside Parliament. Singh could have used that time to bond with his caucus and get positive media exposure, but he didn’t. What Singh apparently forgot was that the NDP started the 2015 election in the polling lead because Tom Mulcair had been appearing on the news every night hammering Stephen Harper in Question Period.

Andrew Scheer hasn’t done much to disassociate the Conservative party from white nationalists like the Sons of Odin, who are increasingly attaching themselves to the conservative movement. Not only is this electoral poison that undoes the hard work conservatives like Jason Kenney did to broaden the Conservatives’ base among voters of colour, but it also betrays conservatism’s own tradition of striving for equality and rights. John Diefenbaker dismantling Canada’s race-based immigration system and recognizing Indigenous voting rights, Ralph Klein refusing to keep gay rights out of Alberta’s human rights code and Preston Manning dissuading Reform grassroots from nominating bigoted candidates, and Diefenbaker and Brian Mulroney opposing South African apartheid are all examples of this tradition. Groups like the Sons of Odin are a betrayal of Canadian conservatism, not a continuance of it.

As for Justin Trudeau ... where to begin? From saying he admired China’s ‘basic dictatorship’ to playing dressup during his visit to India to his vacations with the Aga Khan making him look like an out-of-touch elitist, Trudeau has repeatedly damaged his own public image. Worse are his various policy gaffes ranging from his mishandling of Indigenous issues (perhaps best represented by his sneering thanks to an Indigenous protester for her ‘donation’ to the Liberal party as security dragged her away) to his bungling of the SNC-Lavalin scandal, keeping it in the public eye when a brief apology could have quickly ended it.

Unfortunately, the prospects don’t look good for any of the major party leaders heading into the fall election. Some very serious questions can be asked about all of them and their political skills. In fact, the best thing for Canada may actually be a minority government where Trudeau, Scheer and Singh keep each other in check. It’s not a coincidence that Stephen Harper’s best years as prime minister were when the Opposition could keep him on a leash.

Of course, I might be wrong. Any or all of the leaders might improve their performances between now and the election.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:53 am
 


It would be nice to have a PPC group here on CKA to go with the other political groups, as well as an area in the political forums. Any way we can make this happen, seeing as how the election is coming?

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It would be nice to have a PPC group here on CKA to go with the other political groups, as well as an area in the political forums. Any way we can make this happen, seeing as how the election is coming?

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Only Trevor can do that, and he doesn't like us anymore.


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Only Trevor can do that, and he doesn't like us anymore.


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DrCaleb wrote:
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It would be nice to have a PPC group here on CKA to go with the other political groups, as well as an area in the political forums. Any way we can make this happen, seeing as how the election is coming?

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Only Trevor can do that, and he doesn't like us anymore.

Pulling the trigger on that one a little early anyways. Otherwise might as well make one for every fringe party. Lets wait and see if they actually manage to get any seats.


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Of course, I might be wrong. Any or all of the leaders might improve their performances between now and the election.


Regardless, it's Doug Ford's (un)popularity in Ontario that will affect Scheer the most. I imagine the Kenney shit show in Alberta will be in full swing by then too. Scheer can't really do anything to change these.


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DrCaleb wrote:
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Of course, I might be wrong. Any or all of the leaders might improve their performances between now and the election.


Regardless, it's Doug Ford's (un)popularity in Ontario that will affect Scheer the most. I imagine the Kenney shit show in Alberta will be in full swing by then too. Scheer can't really do anything to change these.


Any way for Scheer to distance himself from Ford and Kenney without losing party support?


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