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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:23 am
 


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Duffy's Repayment May not Have Been a Scandal Without PMO's Bungling

(Original title: The Boys In Short Pants — Too Smart By Half )

Brent Rathgeber

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Only in Canada would paying money back to the government qualify as a scandal. But a scandal it is.

Ironically, it was not the original actions of the primary players that were likely criminal or even scandalous -- it was how the issues were managed by issues management and then how they were communicated by PMO communications.

It is unclear, given the ambiguous Senate rules, that Mike Duffy was ineligible to claim a secondary residency in Kanata. And there would be nothing illegal about paying another's questionable housing allowance; a $90,000 cheque to a non-friend/relative is perhaps highly unusual but certainly not the making of a scandal (provided there was no quid pro quo and the matter is further complicated in that a senator is a public office holder).

But I suspect that if the PMO had issued a release two and half years ago indicating that Nigel Wright had repaid the dubious expenses, we would be talking about something else today. But not so if you lie about it; if you concoct a story that the senator took out a loan to pay the money back himself, you can set forth in motion a train wreck of potentially administration ending proportions. The motivation in this self-inflicted scandal was to salvage the reputation of the Conservative appointment and then key fundraising asset.

Having launched the Harper administration on this calamitous journey, the boys in short pants at the PMO decided to double, and then triple, down. Besides providing Duffy with talking points, chock full of lies, they would then attempt to sanitize a Senate investigation and then preempt a Deloitte audit. In what must be an excruciating embarrassment for Deloitte, it appears that PMO staffers somehow got details from the audit in advance, presumably to begin damage control with more manufactured lines.

It appears that Duffy didn't expressly request the 90k -- in fact it looks like the PMO strong-armed him into taking it. As almost everything in the Ottawa bubble is, this entire operation was micro-managed from the PMO from the minute the disputed expense claims were an embarrassment for the prime minister.

The prime minister could have, and should have, let Duffy fight his own battles but as the political equivalent of an ATM machine on the rubber chicken circuit, Duffy, in addition to Pamela Wallin, were seen as political assets and therefore deserving of "help."

Then for months, the boys in short pants, knowing that about a half dozen of them, which may now include chief of staff Ray Novak, were all in the loop, knowingly allowed several high profile ministers to tell a lie to the House of Commons that "Nigel Wright had acted alone." But why merely damage the reputations of soon to be departed high profile ministers such as John Baird and James Moore plus Peter Van Loan; while you are at it, you might as well sully the reputation of the prime minister by having him repeat the same fallacy.

Obstructing auditors, interfering with the Senate Committee on Internal Economy, conspiring to deceive the public and having numerous ministers of the Crown unknowingly mislead Parliament all to cover up what, although politically embarrassing, may not have been illegal! As Nixon famously said, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up...

But it takes a special combination of incompetence and lack of ethics to convert a comparably innocuous act into a potentially fatal political scandal.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/brent-rath ... a-politics

http://brentrathgeber.com/the-boys-in-s ... t-by-half/


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I think the part that pisses me off the most is Nigel Wright testifying that there was an enormous spin factory at the PMO on how to 'sell' this to the Canadian public. So they specifically tried to find the best lies to tell us, and everyone was OK with telling us lies.

And to top if off, nothing Duffy did was thought to be illegal, just unethical!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:50 am
 


What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:56 am
 


Alta_redneck wrote:
What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


It's illegal to give money to a Senator, and it's illegal for a Senator to take money from anyone for any reason.

Besides the PMO deciding on which lies to tell us on who paid the bills that didn't need paying. . .

Please, tell me you have a problem with the Prime Minister of Canada deciding on which lies to tell us!?!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:23 pm
 


Like many political scandals, the damage comes from the cover-up, not the initial act. Watergate is the classic example.


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Alta_redneck wrote:
What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


That's the thing. Who cares if Duffy's bills got paid out of Wright's personal accounts or out of party money? As long as the taxpayer didn't get stuck with the tab what's the big bloody deal? :roll:


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Alta_redneck wrote:
What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


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Thankfully the other two parties are unblemished by the evils of corruption like the Conservatives, otherwise people might think all this Duffy crap is just another series of partisan attacks for political gain while the guilty try to hide the past. :P


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Alta_redneck wrote:
What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


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Thankfully the other two parties are unblemished by the evils of corruption like the Conservatives, otherwise people might think all this Duffy crap is just another series of partisan attacks for political gain while the guilty try to hide the past. :P

So I take it you are voting Green :o


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Freakinoldguy wrote:
Alta_redneck wrote:
What exactly is the scandel here, because as a Canadian tax payer I couldn't give a fuck who paid the fat guy's bill.


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Thankfully the other two parties are unblemished by the evils of corruption like the Conservatives, otherwise people might think all this Duffy crap is just another series of partisan attacks for political gain while the guilty try to hide the past. :P



But...but...but...THE LIBERALS!!!! :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:48 pm
 


Didn't cost a penny of taxpayer money therefore it's not a scandal. And Duffy/Wallin/Brazeau all got booted ASAP, as opposed to Liberal senators that get to live in their Mexican beach houses and not even show up for work for ten years before they get in trouble.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:36 pm
 


Zipperfish wrote:
But...but...but...THE LIBERALS!!!! :lol:

I find this post hilarious, considering the media is all but ignoring the Liberal and NDP financial shenanigans.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:45 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
I think the part that pisses me off the most is Nigel Wright testifying that there was an enormous spin factory at the PMO on how to 'sell' this to the Canadian public. So they specifically tried to find the best lies to tell us, and everyone was OK with telling us lies.

And to top if off, nothing Duffy did was thought to be illegal, just unethical!


What pisses me off is the bullshit that Harper didn't know what was going on.

Duffy is charged with accepting a bribe - that's illegal. Makes no sense to not charge Wright as well. I don't believe their intent was criminal, but they broke the law.

As usual, the cover up causes far more damage than the original actions.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:28 pm
 


I don't really believe the PM on this one, and I personally think Duffy is a mutated turnip with no soul, but for some reason, I believe Nigel Wright to a certain extent.

That having been sad, this is only a 'scandal' because 1) it's an election year, and 2) the media made it a scandal.

Other than all that, it's not really relevant to the average joe.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:45 pm
 


This is why politics in Canada is a joke.

We love the drama. The headlines.

We have the NDP using millions of our money inappropriately and it's not even worthy of mention. Mac Harb? Old news.

Even our local NDP MP Dan Harris is one of the members accused in the NDP scandal and its not even talked about on here.

We deserve the crap we get. Left, right. Doesn't matter. We have such low standards.


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