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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:15 am
 


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IQALUIT, Nunavut (Reuters) - Prime Minister Stephen Harper said on Thursday he was unaware of allegations his Conservative party had used dirty tricks to suppress votes to help win last year's federal election.

The allegations come at an awkward time for Stephen Harper, whose government is due to unveil a tough budget shortly, which will cut public spending. The Conservatives came to power as a minority government in early 2006, promising to crack down on sleaze in Ottawa.

Last May the Conservatives narrowly won a majority of seats in the House of Commons - some by very thin margins - which gave the party a secure four-year term and allowed it to start pushing through its wide-ranging right-of-center agenda.

Voters in several constituencies complained about automated phone calls designed to prevent them from casting their ballots.

The Ottawa Citizen newspaper said some of the calls had falsely told people their voting stations had been changed. Others, supposedly from opposition parties to their supporters, were insulting.

The Citizen said a probe by the independent Elections Canada agency into possible wrongdoing in 18 constituencies had traced some of the calls to an Edmonton, Alberta, call center which had been used by Harper and other Conservative candidates.

"I have absolutely no knowledge of any of these calls but obviously if there is anyone who has done anything we will expect they will face the full consequences of the law," Harper told reporters during a visit to the Arctic territory of Nunavut.

Last year senior Conservatives pleaded guilty to overspending on advertising in the 2006 election campaign that brought the party to power.

Pat Martin, a legislator with the official opposition New Democratic Party, said the calls were an affront to democracy and urged the Conservatives to reveal all they knew.

"Did they really win that last federal election? Or did they achieve their razor thin majority by cheating? ... (This) looks to be the largest electoral fraud in Canadian history," he told a news conference in Ottawa.

Elections Canada declined to comment. The call center in question told the Ottawa Citizen it had no idea its servers had been used for wrongdoing.

Jenni Byrne, the Conservatives' national campaign manager in 2011, said the party was not involved with the calls and "would never tolerate such activity".


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:28 am
 


Time for Harper to take a page out of Trudeau's playbook and do the Gallic Shrug. "I do not know anything about dis, dis has nodding to do wit me, eh. Ow can I be responsible for what the people below me do?" Sorry, I guess that's Chretien.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:50 am
 


All I have to say is; companies don't work for free. Someone paid to have those calls made. And 'plausible deniability' is a way of life for politicians.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:57 pm
 


I Steve knew this was going on (assuming it was) I will eat my boots. Anyone who would have told him is an idiot. On the other hand, he is in charge.


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I Steve knew this was going on (assuming it was) I will eat my boots. Anyone who would have told him is an idiot. On the other hand, he is in charge.

Personally I am more interested in the reactions of our own right wing boys and see how they try to defend Harper from this one.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:42 pm
 


Conservative staffer resigns amid 'robocalls' probe

A Conservative staffer has resigned following reports that Elections Canada is investigating fake election day phone calls used to keep voters away from polls.
Michael Sona, who until Friday was a staffer in Conservative MP Eve Adams's office, also worked for Conservative candidate Marty Burke in Guelph, Ont.
Voters in that riding complained they were the target of automated robocalls claiming to be on behalf of Elections Canada that directed them to the wrong polling station. Telling voters to go to the wrong or non-existent polling stations is a voter suppression tactic and illegal under the Elections Act.
Opposition MPs let loose on the Conservative Party on Thursday after an Ottawa Citizen report linked a call centre used by some of their campaigns to the robocalls.
Sona offered his resignation and it was accepted, a source told CBC News.
In a statement Thursday, the Conservatives' 2011 national campaign manager hinted that whoever was behind the robocalls acted alone.
"The party was not involved with these calls and if anyone on a local campaign was involved they will not play a role in a future campaign," Jenni Byrne said in a statement.
There is no public evidence Sona was involved in the robocalls.
Nine Conservative campaigns used the services of Racknine, the call centre whose services were used for the fraudulent calls. It's not unusual to use call centres for legitimate campaigning.
Ridings across the country reported fraudulent calls on May 2, 2011, redirecting voters to the wrong polling station.
The RCMP told CBC News on Thursday that Elections Canada is investigating the matter.
Sona made news before the election when he allegedly tried to grab a ballot box at the University of Guelph. He claimed the polling station was illegal. A statement released by Burke's campaign said nobody from their team touched a ballot or ballot box. Elections Canada allowed the ballots to be counted.
Sona graduated from the University of Guelph in 2010, according to a webpage showing his professional history. He worked for Conservative MP Rob Moore from June 2010 until March 2011 and from May to September 2011. He also worked for Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore for four months in 2009.
Liberal Leader Bob Rae announced Friday he's asking House Speaker Andrew Scheer for an emergency debate into voter suppression.
"In my opinion, this debate is necessary because denying someone the opportunity to vote is to deny them the most basic right that exists in our democracy," Rae says in his letter to Scheer.
"These reports undermine the reputation of Parliament and cast a shadow over the legitimacy of all parliamentary proceedings."


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So the investigation into who "leaked" information (which was publicly available) about Vic Toews infidelity and the resulting divorce goes on... But the blame for this goes on a lone person "on a local campaign" who orchestrated thousands of calls across 27 swing ridings.

A stolen majority is what it is.


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jeff744 wrote:
fifeboy wrote:
I Steve knew this was going on (assuming it was) I will eat my boots. Anyone who would have told him is an idiot. On the other hand, he is in charge.

Personally I am more interested in the reactions of our own right wing boys and see how they try to defend Harper from this one.

Pretty hard to defend if he did know about it. Even if he didnt he still needs to do some serious housecleaning to get rid of anyone who thought this was an acceptable thing to do.


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Didn't Harper say the same thing about the bribe to Cadman? NO, wait, he said, I told them NOT to do it that he wouldn't take it. I believe that very few Tories knew about the phone calls, after all loose lips sink ships. This is why we should NEVER have voting computers like they do in the US because if we did, the Tories would probably have more seats.


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jeff744 wrote:
fifeboy wrote:
I Steve knew this was going on (assuming it was) I will eat my boots. Anyone who would have told him is an idiot. On the other hand, he is in charge.

Personally I am more interested in the reactions of our own right wing boys and see how they try to defend Harper from this one.


You have evidence that Harper was directly involved in this or was your plan to simply post a partisan missive?

Or perhaps, did you mean that some CPC staffers, maybe some of them senior, are about to be caught in some election bullshit that they will hopefully be held accountable for but it is simply too politically delicious for you to [insert stupid partisan post here so that you look like some dumbass hack]


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Lots of Conservatives in Ontario want McGuinty's and Matthews' heads over the Ornge and E-Health scandals. It's partisan hackery if they don't demand the same level of accountability from their federal government. We either hang our leaders for the actions of our civil-servants or we don't. Which is it?


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Lots of Conservatives in Ontario want McGuinty's and Matthews' heads over the Ornge and E-Health scandals. It's partisan hackery if they don't demand the same level of accountability from their federal government. We either hang our leaders for the actions of our civil-servants or we don't. Which is it?

I say we shoot 'em all and start fresh.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:59 am
 


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"These reports undermine the reputation of Parliament and cast a shadow over the legitimacy of all parliamentary proceedings

Got news for ya Bob, the legitimacy of parliamentary proceedings has been highly questionable since before you dragged your sorry ass into federal politics.





PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:46 am
 


Opposition MPs take Tories to task over 'robocalls'
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The automated calls placed on election day 2011 were part of a deliberate. planned attempt by the Conservative Party to mislead Liberal and NDP voters, opposition MPs charged.

"The real issue is that there was a systematic effort to undermine our democratic system by lying to people about where to go on election day," New Democrat MP Pat Martin told CTV's Question Period.

During a heated exchange among Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro and Liberal MP Frank Valeriote, Martin suggested the calls were part of well-planned Tory strategy to send unsuspecting voters astray on election day.

"The really important thing is that 34 ridings -- that we know of and the number are growing everyday -- received these terrible phone calls advising people that their voting station had changed," Martin said. "And they go trundling down to this phony voting station -- some may never come back."

Del Mastro said the Conservatives are just as concerned as opposition MPs about the widening "robocall" scandal. In fact, he said voters in his Peterborough riding have been bombarded with automated calls too.

"The NDP has been robocalling my riding for a month about OAS (Old Age Security)," Del Mastro said.


Hahaha! Del Mastro thinks misdirecting voters during an election is the same as that?

34 ridings and counting...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:48 am
 


Gunnair wrote:
jeff744 wrote:
fifeboy wrote:
I Steve knew this was going on (assuming it was) I will eat my boots. Anyone who would have told him is an idiot. On the other hand, he is in charge.

Personally I am more interested in the reactions of our own right wing boys and see how they try to defend Harper from this one.


You have evidence that Harper was directly involved in this or was your plan to simply post a partisan missive?

Or perhaps, did you mean that some CPC staffers, maybe some of them senior, are about to be caught in some election bullshit that they will hopefully be held accountable for but it is simply too politically delicious for you to [insert stupid partisan post here so that you look like some dumbass hack]

I just found it great that there is an opportunity to turn the standard statement on this forum about lefties back on the people that use it.


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