[IcedCap]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

No it doesn't. Which is why the City of Burlington, along with every other City in the 905 sends millions of dollars to Toronto every year in the form of equalization payments.

The City of Burlington also, like other cities in the Province, contracts out many of it's core services, such as garbage pick up, roads maitenence, etc.

Toronto refuses to do that because the idea of contracting out to the private sector is opposed by Miller and the city's NDP dominated council.

Here in Burlington, we also don't have a 50 million dollar grants budget to hand out to gay arts groups, AIDS quilters and other whack jobs.

We also undertake audits of things like the number of people using our homeless services so that we have a handle on what needs our city actually has, rather than refusing to do so for blind ideological reasons.

If private companies can provide the same level of services at a lower cost then all well and good but lets be honest here privatization has often been just as idealogically driven as the opposition to it. Oh and as long as every city dept and service is given the same scrutiny, no sacred cows.
Ah yes arts funding another favourite bete noir of the reactionary right, no offence but Burlington isn't exactly a cultural centre is it. Toronto has to have a vibrant cultural and arts scene to attract visitors, its so easy to target the arts funding as fiscal waste but personally I don't want to live in a city where the cultural life stops at karaoke and the movie theatre

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Oh well, you can't very well cave into the demands of the garbage men, roads workers, fire fighters, social workers and heath department people then turn around and play hardball with the cops. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

Oh wait, Miller and his left-wing lap dogs on the Police Services Board tried to do that in October didn't they? Didn't work though. All they got was an ugly political battle, thousands of coppers marching on City Hall and a campaign that saw the cops refuse to hand out tickets, thereby costing the city millions in lost revenue.

Then they ended up caving into all the Police Association's demands anyway.

Really efficient way to run a city Toronto!

exactly my point

[IcedCap]

IcedCap IcedCap:

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

No it doesn't. Which is why the City of Burlington, along with every other City in the 905 sends millions of dollars to Toronto every year in the form of equalization payments.

The City of Burlington also, like other cities in the Province, contracts out many of it's core services, such as garbage pick up, roads maitenence, etc.

Toronto refuses to do that because the idea of contracting out to the private sector is opposed by Miller and the city's NDP dominated council.

Here in Burlington, we also don't have a 50 million dollar grants budget to hand out to gay arts groups, AIDS quilters and other whack jobs.

We also undertake audits of things like the number of people using our homeless services so that we have a handle on what needs our city actually has, rather than refusing to do so for blind ideological reasons.

If private companies can provide the same level of services at a lower cost then all well and good but lets be honest here privatization has often been just as idealogically driven as the opposition to it. Oh and as long as every city dept and service is given the same scrutiny, no sacred cows.
Ah yes arts funding another favourite bete noir of the reactionary right, no offence but Burlington isn't exactly a cultural centre is it. Toronto has to have a vibrant cultural and arts scene to attract visitors, its so easy to target the arts funding as fiscal waste but personally I don't want to live in a city where the cultural life stops at karaoke and the movie theatre

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Oh well, you can't very well cave into the demands of the garbage men, roads workers, fire fighters, social workers and heath department people then turn around and play hardball with the cops. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

Oh wait, Miller and his left-wing lap dogs on the Police Services Board tried to do that in October didn't they? Didn't work though. All they got was an ugly political battle, thousands of coppers marching on City Hall and a campaign that saw the cops refuse to hand out tickets, thereby costing the city millions in lost revenue.

Then they ended up caving into all the Police Association's demands anyway.

Really efficient way to run a city Toronto!

yeah I agree they shouldn't have caved in

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VitaminC VitaminC:

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

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IcedCap
Yes because the City of Burlington has just the same crime, housing, transit and homeless problems as Toronto doesn't it

No it doesn't. Which is why the City of Burlington, along with every other City in the 905 sends millions of dollars to Toronto every year in the form of equalization payments.

The City of Burlington also, like other cities in the Province, contracts out many of it's core services, such as garbage pick up, roads maitenence, etc.

Toronto refuses to do that because the idea of contracting out to the private sector is opposed by Miller and the city's NDP dominated council.

Here in Burlington, we also don't have a 50 million dollar grants budget to hand out to gay arts groups, AIDS quilters and other whack jobs.

We also undertake audits of things like the number of people using our homeless services so that we have a handle on what needs our city actually has, rather than refusing to do so for blind ideological reasons.

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"the city's various unions" too right, including the Toronto Police Association

Oh well, you can't very well cave into the demands of the garbage men, roads workers, fire fighters, social workers and heath department people then turn around and play hardball with the cops. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

Oh wait, Miller and his left-wing lap dogs on the Police Services Board tried to do that in October didn't they? Didn't work though. All they got was an ugly political battle, thousands of coppers marching on City Hall and a campaign that saw the cops refuse to hand out tickets, thereby costing the city millions in lost revenue.

Then they ended up caving into all the Police Association's demands anyway.

Really efficient way to run a city Toronto!

You have the most warped and deluded mind that I have ever witnessed. You trully are a moron.

Oh Vit, you need to get back to studying your forensics stuff mate, or do you just watch CSI? Leave the law enforcement to MCB. He really is in law enforcement, not just pretending to be.

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Colonel Mustard in the Kitchen with a candelabra.......

[Motorcycleboy]

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Icedcap:If private companies can provide the same level of services at a lower cost then all well and good but lets be honest here privatization has often been just as idealogically driven as the opposition to it. Oh and as long as every city dept and service is given the same scrutiny, no sacred cows.

We don't have "sacred cows" in the 905, we just have efficient, capable mayors like Hazel McCallion who recognize that it's invariably cheaper to contract out things like garbage collection to private firms, rather than maintain expensive, pensioned, unionized, city workers to do the exact same thing.

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Ah yes arts funding another favourite bete noir of the reactionary right, no offence but Burlington isn't exactly a cultural centre is it. Toronto has to have a vibrant cultural and arts scene to attract visitors, its so easy to target the arts funding as fiscal waste but personally I don't want to live in a city where the cultural life stops at karaoke and the movie theatre

How many times have you visited the "Buddy in Bad Times Theatre Icedcap?" I think most "arts" presentations, if they have value, are quite capable of funding themselves.

Real "World Class Cities" like London, Paris, Sydney and New York don't need municipal government funded local arts presentations to make themselves great. They are great cities regardless.

That said, I don't have a big problem with public funding for legitimate Arts projects like the Art Gallery of Ontario or the ROM. But don't try to tell me that the Buddy in Bad Times Theatre in Gay Town, or the frequent Aids Quilt Festivals are projects that make Toronto a great place to live or visit. They are nothing more than pet projects for Kyle Rae and the other special interests that dominate Toront City Council.

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"Motorcycleboy
Oh well, you can't very well cave into the demands of the garbage men, roads workers, fire fighters, social workers and heath department people then turn around and play hardball with the cops. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

Oh wait, Miller and his left-wing lap dogs on the Police Services Board tried to do that in October didn't they? Didn't work though. All they got was an ugly political battle, thousands of coppers marching on City Hall and a campaign that saw the cops refuse to hand out tickets, thereby costing the city millions in lost revenue.

Then they ended up caving into all the Police Association's demands anyway.

Really efficient way to run a city Toronto!

Icedcap Wrote:
exactly my point

You mean you agree with my common sense rationale? Excellent!