[martin14]

1. Egypt is not Canada, and you can be very happy about that.

2. The protests may have been youth driven, as a result of no opportunity,
high unemployment, rising food prices etc, but the end result will not be.

Let's check again in 12-18 months, and see how many 'young' people
have been elected to civil posts, how many in Parliament, etc.
And how much work is being done that will directly and only benefit young people there.

Today, 2-3 months after the fact, the military still controls Egypt,
just like they did before.

You haven't got a clue, and you won't have until you grow up.

[jeff744]

martin14 wrote:

1. Egypt is not Canada, and you can be very happy about that.

2. The protests may have been youth driven, as a result of no opportunity,
high unemployment, rising food prices etc, but the end result will not be.

Let's check again in 12-18 months, and see how many 'young' people
have been elected to civil posts, how many in Parliament, etc.
And how much work is being done that will directly and only benefit young people there.

Today, 2-3 months after the fact, the military still controls Egypt,
just like they did before.

You haven't got a clue, and you won't have until you grow up.

Egypt does display how the young people did a reform that the elderly refused, I must have missed the part where the military stared making mass graves. And yet the youth started the reform, forcing a change for the better.

No, I have a clue, it's just the arrogance of those older that believe that their way is the only way that slows the youth. "Listen to your elders" should also have a version of "Listen to your children", we have to live in this world when you are gone and fix the problems your generation and all the previous ones left for us. We have a list of problems that keeps getting longer because the people that are the most willing to work towards fixing them are stuck in the shadows.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

jeff744 wrote:

martin14 wrote:

1. Egypt is not Canada, and you can be very happy about that.

2. The protests may have been youth driven, as a result of no opportunity,
high unemployment, rising food prices etc, but the end result will not be.

Let's check again in 12-18 months, and see how many 'young' people
have been elected to civil posts, how many in Parliament, etc.
And how much work is being done that will directly and only benefit young people there.

Today, 2-3 months after the fact, the military still controls Egypt,
just like they did before.

You haven't got a clue, and you won't have until you grow up.

Egypt does display how the young people did a reform that the elderly refused, I must have missed the part where the military stared making mass graves. And yet the youth started the reform, forcing a change for the better.

No, I have a clue, it's just the arrogance of those older that believe that their way is the only way that slows the youth. "Listen to your elders" should also have a version of "Listen to your children", we have to live in this world when you are gone and fix the problems your generation and all the previous ones left for us. We have a list of problems that keeps getting longer because the people that are the most willing to work towards fixing them are stuck in the shadows.

Jeff, I can appreciate where you're coming from. I may be twice your age but I still remember how I felt and thought back when I was younger. The problem is, as you get older and more knowledable/experienced, you realize that the solutions really aren't as simple as we once thought.
Some things just can't be changed or fixed without a full-fledged revolution. And even then, there's no guarantee it'll be successful.
Other things require an individual to have the testicular fortitude to commit political suicide.
I'm not suggesting that we should just take it as they throw sand into the K-Y before bending us over, but there are only two ways to effect change, from the inside or from the outside, and I don't see anything changing from the inside anytime soon. Well, at least not for the better anyway.

[jeff744]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

jeff744 wrote:

martin14 wrote:

1. Egypt is not Canada, and you can be very happy about that.

2. The protests may have been youth driven, as a result of no opportunity,
high unemployment, rising food prices etc, but the end result will not be.

Let's check again in 12-18 months, and see how many 'young' people
have been elected to civil posts, how many in Parliament, etc.
And how much work is being done that will directly and only benefit young people there.

Today, 2-3 months after the fact, the military still controls Egypt,
just like they did before.

You haven't got a clue, and you won't have until you grow up.

Egypt does display how the young people did a reform that the elderly refused, I must have missed the part where the military stared making mass graves. And yet the youth started the reform, forcing a change for the better.

No, I have a clue, it's just the arrogance of those older that believe that their way is the only way that slows the youth. "Listen to your elders" should also have a version of "Listen to your children", we have to live in this world when you are gone and fix the problems your generation and all the previous ones left for us. We have a list of problems that keeps getting longer because the people that are the most willing to work towards fixing them are stuck in the shadows.

Jeff, I can appreciate where you're coming from. I may be twice your age but I still remember how I felt and thought back when I was younger. The problem is, as you get older and more knowledable/experienced, you realize that the solutions really aren't as simple as we once thought.
Some things just can't be changed or fixed without a full-fledged revolution. And even then, there's no guarantee it'll be successful.
Other things require an individual to have the testicular fortitude to commit political suicide.
I'm not suggesting that we should just take it as they throw sand into the K-Y before bending us over, but there are only two ways to effect change, from the inside or from the outside, and I don't see anything changing from the inside anytime soon. Well, at least not for the better anyway.

Oh, I am fully awarer of what it would cost to do some reforms, healthcare alone requires massive cuts in administration to send the funds where they are needed. A lot of the young are very knowledgeable about the same stuff you are, I have had full arguments with pol sci students that eventually required the involving of an engineer to settle (we argued over power supply). The internet is a major reason the youth need to be listened to, we now know more than previous generations ever did at our age. The only issue is getting a politician to commit political suicide before the system crashes (or waiting for the tech to advance to the point the shifts are economically realistic).

[martin14]

jeff744 wrote:

we now know more than previous generations ever did at our age.

No, you don't.
You may have access to information faster than before, and perhaps more from
other sources, like the 3rd world, but that is all.
There was no problem sharing information in the 1st world before the Internet,
and I would not support you and your classmates taking us to 3rd world examples, thanks.

Access does not make you 'smarter', and certainly does not give you the wisdom needed.
If anything, the reverse is true. Lots of kids like to run around saying they know
everything because they read some left-wing bullshit blog, so its makes them
'experts'.

Quote:

The only issue is getting a politician to commit political suicide before the system crashes (or waiting for the tech to advance to the point the shifts are economically realistic).

Here's the fun part.. When you get a little older, you will start to see that this
will not change. People ARE greedy, after all.

What's even better, you and your classmates will do the same, and happily.

[jeff744]

martin14 wrote:

jeff744 wrote:

we now know more than previous generations ever did at our age.

No, you don't.
You may have access to information faster than before, and perhaps more from
other sources, like the 3rd world, but that is all.
There was no problem sharing information in the 1st world before the Internet,
and I would not support you and your classmates taking us to 3rd world examples, thanks.

Access does not make you 'smarter', and certainly does not give you the wisdom needed.
If anything, the reverse is true. Lots of kids like to run around saying they know
everything because they read some left-wing bullshit blog, so its makes them
'experts'.

Quote:

The only issue is getting a politician to commit political suicide before the system crashes (or waiting for the tech to advance to the point the shifts are economically realistic).

Here's the fun part.. When you get a little older, you will start to see that this
will not change. People ARE greedy, after all.

What's even better, you and your classmates will do the same, and happily.

How much information did you have access to? What was in the papers and books? At random I can open a wikipedia article and learn how diamonds are graded. Access to information does make you smarter. We will be third world at the rate that our economies are going, how long do you think inflation can last or how far do you think the rich-poor divide can go? 1st world is an image made for people to feel good about themselves became the majority of their population gets to enjoy those privileges of being 'developed' while in the same country you can have people living at 3rd world standards. When did I use the word 'expert'> many of us are actually willing to acknowledge we don't know everything but at least we aren't so busy lying to ourselves that we don't try to fix that.

And yet most of that greed is a result of a shrinking top 5% of the population that nobody can touch, funny thing though, some of those rich guys seem to be pretty damned generous giving away almost their entire fortunes when they die. You may be willing to let the next generation clean up after you but like hell I plan to leave a bigger mess than I started with.

[martin14]

jeff744 wrote:

What was in the papers and books? At random I can open a wikipedia article and learn how diamonds are graded.

Wow, guess what, jeffie poo, I could have done the same.

It's called a LIBRARY.

And I even got the exercise from going, unlike so many of your contemporaries
who are too busy eating Cheetos to pry their fat asses away from the computer.

If kids today are so smart, why are they so fat, and why are standards being lowered at schools every year?

You certainly have the information that Mcdonalds isnt healthy, yet so many of
many of you keep grazing on it.

Quote:

Access to information does make you smarter.

So 99% of the people in Africa are more stupid than you, is that it ?

[jeff744]

martin14 wrote:

jeff744 wrote:

What was in the papers and books? At random I can open a wikipedia article and learn how diamonds are graded.

Wow, guess what, jeffie poo, I could have done the same.

It's called a LIBRARY.

And I even got the exercise from going, unlike so many of your contemporaries
who are too busy eating Cheetos to pry their fat asses away from the computer.

If kids today are so smart, why are they so fat, and why are standards being lowered at schools every year?

You certainly have the information that Mcdonalds isnt healthy, yet so many of
many of you keep grazing on it.

Quote:

Access to information does make you smarter.

So 99% of the people in Africa are more stupid than you, is that it ?

And to do that you would have to go to the library, find the reference desks, and look for anything that might be related. How often did you do that one a random whim? Obesity starts with the parents, little kids are being declared obese because their parents are too damned lazy to cook a healthy meal. Hell, in my university it it rare to see obese people at all, I have seen a select few in a sample size of thousands.

[OnTheIce]

jeff744 wrote:

martin14 wrote:

jeff744 wrote:

What was in the papers and books? At random I can open a wikipedia article and learn how diamonds are graded.

Wow, guess what, jeffie poo, I could have done the same.

It's called a LIBRARY.

And I even got the exercise from going, unlike so many of your contemporaries
who are too busy eating Cheetos to pry their fat asses away from the computer.

If kids today are so smart, why are they so fat, and why are standards being lowered at schools every year?

You certainly have the information that Mcdonalds isnt healthy, yet so many of
many of you keep grazing on it.

Quote:

Access to information does make you smarter.

So 99% of the people in Africa are more stupid than you, is that it ?

And to do that you would have to go to the library, find the reference desks, and look for anything that might be related. How often did you do that one a random whim? Obesity starts with the parents, little kids are being declared obese because their parents are too damned lazy to cook a healthy meal. Hell, in my university it it rare to see obese people at all, I have seen a select few in a sample size of thousands.

Jeff, being a younger guy myself, I have to disagree with you.

Just because you have access to information faster, doesn't make you any smarter. And even though I grew up during the infancy of the Internet, I still went to the library quite often, especially at school.

I think it's helped speed up the way we get information and the accuracy of that info, but I don't think it's making current students any smarter than previous generations.

[raydan]

Intelligence is NOT knowing a bunch of stuff, it's knowing where and what to look for when you need it, and knowing what to do with it.