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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:36 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
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If I want to read sheer ignorance, malice, and open hatred of Canadians by other Canadians all I have to do is read any of the comments made on CBC.com. If there's an utterly vicious, misanthropic, and mean-spirited side in Canada it comes almost entirely from the Canadian left, not the right.


I take it you've never visited the Edmonton/Calgary Sun website then...because those guys are just as nasty as any of the morons one cbc.ca are.


No, I go there quite often and usually end up fighting with some Randroid dickhead or one of Grampa's Angry Conservatives. The thing with those people is that they're entirely reactionary. They're responding with rage to something someone on the left has done. The left by contrast are provocateurs. They implement damaging policy without any concern at all on the effect it has on real-life economics or on working people in general. That's what we are out here in the West, in case no one's noticed. We're just working people and precious few of us are living high on the hog in the way apparently everyone down East thinks we are.

I'll say it right now. This election has the potential to give the same devastating and destructive results that the 1980 victory of Pierre Trudeau cause. The Canadian left hasn't changed a bit, except that they're angrier, more vengeful, and thirsting to show the rest of Canada that Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal is still the boss of everyone. The only thing that's changed is that they're rallying behind the Dippers this time instead of the Liberals.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:16 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Thanos Thanos:
If I want to read sheer ignorance, malice, and open hatred of Canadians by other Canadians all I have to do is read any of the comments made on CBC.com. If there's an utterly vicious, misanthropic, and mean-spirited side in Canada it comes almost entirely from the Canadian left, not the right.


I take it you've never visited the Edmonton/Calgary Sun website then...because those guys are just as nasty as any of the morons one cbc.ca are.


No, I go there quite often and usually end up fighting with some Randroid dickhead or one of Grampa's Angry Conservatives. The thing with those people is that they're entirely reactionary. They're responding with rage to something someone on the left has done. The left by contrast are provocateurs.


I guess you can think that, but I see a group of people who gives as good (if not better) as it gets in the Sun comment section - a large majority of whom were already gnashing their teeth at the godless socialists mere seconds after they won the spring election - and long before they even had a chance to enact any legislation or govern.



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They implement damaging policy without any concern at all on the effect it has on real-life economics or on working people in general. That's what we are out here in the West, in case no one's noticed. We're just working people and precious few of us are living high on the hog in the way apparently everyone down East thinks we are.


You must live in a different Alberta than I do, because so many people around here are living high off the hog - they're just doing it with HELOCs instead of stock options and dividends. I'd say it was anecdotal, but everywhere I go in Edmonton, almost everyone seems to own an RV or ATVs or snowmobiles or a boat (or some combination thereof).

You may not have bought any of that junk - and I certainly didn't either - but too many of our fellow Albertans are buying too many toys and getting themselves too far in debt. And because many of us constantly vote for political parties that promise low, low taxes, the government does not have anywhere near enough funds to pay for all the services we demand from them.

The last 25 years have been disasterous for us as a province because voters insisted on a tax holiday but also demanded high levels of services, AKA wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Had we paid our fair share all that time, the HTF would be sitting at $200+ billion and it wouldn't matter what the price of oil was right now because we could siphon off some interest (say $5 billion or so) without having to increase taxes to pay for all the things we should have built in the last 25 years (schools, hospitals, roads, etc). Heck, if we needed to, we could actually use it as a rainy day fund and pull out $10 or $20 billion to pay for things we need- because I do agree with you that it is pouring fucking dogs and cats outside right now in Alberta.

Peter Lougheed set us up to do just that, but everyone of his successors was been too spineless to follow through on his vision, and chose the easy road instead.

No, Albertans are lying in a bed largely of our own making.



Thanos Thanos:
I'll say it right now. This election has the potential to give the same devastating and destructive results that the 1980 victory of Pierre Trudeau cause. The Canadian left hasn't changed a bit, except that they're angrier, more vengeful, and thirsting to show the rest of Canada that Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal is still the boss of everyone. The only thing that's changed is that they're rallying behind the Dippers this time instead of the Liberals.


I'll grant it is possible, but I'd argue that it is more likely under an NDP government than a Liberal one.

Some left wing nutjobs may want to kill off the golden goose because of their ideology, but most people in this country (including the Golden Triangle) are more centrist than left or right, so if the Conservatives or Liberals form the next government, they'll be forced to walk a tightrope down the middle just like Notley is here.

Otherwise they'll be out on their ass in four years and watching from the sidelines yet again - and that is a fear that EVERY politician fears, no matter their ideological stripe.


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Going by McQuaig's outburst I have my doubts that Mulcair can control the most radical elements of his caucus. And most of his caucus, especially the large corps from Quebec are merely ex-Bloc Quebecois who jumped ship to the Dippers because they knew the BQ was moribund and ineffectual. The Dippers have put years into their collectivist decision-making process and their anti-leader principles. As such, even if he wants to which I highly doubt he does, Mulcair would end up towing the line the caucus demanded and those demands are going be coming from a group of hardcore Quebec Marxists.

It's 2015 and we're having an election that's split along lines created back in the 1960's and 70's, fer fucks sake. :evil:


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Thanos Thanos:
Going by McQuaig's outburst I have my doubts that Mulcair can control the most radical elements of his caucus. And most of his caucus, especially the large corps from Quebec are merely ex-Bloc Quebecois who jumped ship to the Dippers because they knew the BQ was moribund and ineffectual. The Dippers have put years into their collectivist decision-making process and their anti-leader principles. As such, even if he wants to which I highly doubt he does, Mulcair would end up towing the line the caucus demanded and those demands are going be coming from a group of hardcore Quebec nationalistic socialists.

It's 2015 and we're having an election that's split along lines created back in the 1960's and 70's, fer fucks sake. :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:53 pm
 


The NDP contrary to what labels like Marxist end up portraying it is thus.

The last bastion of down to earth middle of the road Canadians lost in a dream to bring the nation together with a fair nd equal footing for everyone who can't buy it with money.

NDP are good people.

Being frightened of such people shows some sort of unfounded hysteria born from years of eating right wing propaganda.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:09 am
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
The NDP contrary to what labels like Marxist end up portraying it is thus.

The last bastion of down to earth middle of the road Canadians lost in a dream to bring the nation together with a fair nd equal footing for everyone who can't buy it with money.

NDP are good people.

Being frightened of such people shows some sort of unfounded hysteria born from years of eating right wing propaganda.
NDP are good people :lol: Until they get into office, then they're just like the rest. Bob Rae's NDP govt was a prime example.
Of course the fact that you fail to comprehend that a sizable portion of the federal NDP are defectors from the BQ demonstrates your lack of knowledge when it comes to politics. Those bastards don't give a damn about the ROC.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:59 am
 


We're sorry about your experience with Bob Rae, too bad you elected him when times were bad already and tossed him out so fast (well, that was his own fault).
Everyone west of Kenora has a slightly different outlook.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:48 pm
 


herbie herbie:
We're sorry about your experience with Bob Rae, too bad you elected him when times were bad already and tossed him out so fast (well, that was his own fault).
Everyone west of Kenora has a slightly different outlook.

I voted for RAE...sorry caps due to another poster and his anal retentive spell check obsssssesssssion..lol

I actually loved the guy and cannot figure out why labour turned on him.

12 lousy days as opposed to thousands of job cuts.

then Harrass came into absolute power and wow what a lesson..

Look I'm liberal and have voted for other two parties...

I never will vote "C: logo again unless a true statesman arrives on the scene and is CONvincing enough lol.

I see the NDP at this juncture as a good alternative, in some ways better than the Liberals..

But i Know from the past and family connections that the Liberals have the best structure behind the scenes to bring the economy full tilt again to what it was during Martin and Chretien times...and without lying to yourselves CKA what was wrong with those times?

The Trudeau era years and Lester Pearson's work put Canada on an international pedestal. one we have been knocked off.

I think Mulcair could get us up there, but not like the Liberals will.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:27 am
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
The St. Laurent era years and Lester Pearson's work put Canada on an international pedestal. Trudeau and Mulroney knocked off us off it.


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bootlegga bootlegga:
I guess you can think that, but I see a group of people who gives as good (if not better) as it gets in the Sun comment section...


I've seen a few stories lately of news sites that are removing their comments sections because of all the intense trolling going on. It's just not worth it to pay people to monitor that garbage, and adds nothing to human knowledge.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
I guess you can think that, but I see a group of people who gives as good (if not better) as it gets in the Sun comment section...


I've seen a few stories lately of news sites that are removing their comments sections because of all the intense trolling going on. It's just not worth it to pay people to monitor that garbage, and adds nothing to human knowledge.


Yeah, good point. I can seee that happening.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:40 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
I guess you can think that, but I see a group of people who gives as good (if not better) as it gets in the Sun comment section...


I've seen a few stories lately of news sites that are removing their comments sections because of all the intense trolling going on. It's just not worth it to pay people to monitor that garbage, and adds nothing to human knowledge.

I've got a CBC newsfeed on a portal website I run and you can't see comments or post on the articles from that feed. You have to go to their URL.
Maybe I should get Thanos to set it as his homepage and spare him the agony of seeing comments?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:47 am
 


It's masochism but it needs to be done. The neo-Bolsheviks have to be monitored so we have a good idea of what they're going to do to the country if they ever get into power.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:58 am
 


Actually I'd be more worried about the silver spoon socialist than Mulcair the closet Thatcherite.


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