[CountLothian]

I need some help here.
This is the thread to help explain to me and others Harper's tactics to win elections .

He has changed the election laws and people in his party with apparent godfather like buffers performed illegal acts to secure elections in the past.

Anyone have a lucid take on those?

The recent tactic is a doozy. Call an early election campaign and make it the longest in Canadian history.

The Conservatives have largest amount of money in their coffers and thats a huge edge with advertising to the mostly lowest common denominator of Canadian masses.

Then the Law states third party ads are far limited during a campaign.

I need a refresher course in both the legal and illegal tactics of Harperism and his lust for personal power at any cost.

[DrCaleb]

CountLothian CountLothian:

I need some help here.
This is the thread to help explain to me and others Harper's tactics to win elections .

1) Make promises you don't intend to keep.
2) Try to get people to remember that you used their own money to bribe them.
3) Try to tell them that they will get to keep more of that money or get some of it back, then refer to #1.

CountLothian CountLothian:

I need a refresher course in both the legal and illegal tactics of Harperism and his lust for personal power at any cost.

Harper doesn't use illegal tactics. He gets subordinates like 'Pierre Poutine' or Dean Del Mastro to do it for him.

But, none of these tactics are unique to Mr. Harper. He's just wielding them better than his predecessors.

[Robair]

Not a federal election, but the wheat board election.

Board members used to be elected by farmers. Harper removed the low spending cap on advertising so anti wheat board candidates could benefit from big business financial support. When the big money add campaign machine didn't work, and farmers still elected a majority of pro-board members, Harper used his majority government to just re-write the law so no farmer vote was necessary to destroy the wheat board.

He didn't do anything illegal. He just showed his level of regard for democracy.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

1) Make promises you don't intend to keep.
2) Try to get people to remember that you used their own money to bribe them.
3) Try to tell them that they will get to keep more of that money or get some of it back, then refer to #1.

That describes pretty much the tactic of every political party in Canada.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

1) Make promises you don't intend to keep.
2) Try to get people to remember that you used their own money to bribe them.
3) Try to tell them that they will get to keep more of that money or get some of it back, then refer to #1.

That describes pretty much the tactic of every political party in Canada.

Yes, but it's only bad when Conservatives do it. When Libs and Dippers do it, it's for purely altruistic reasons that us common peons couldn't possibly grasp.

Obviously Lothian does not live in Ontario .

[CountLothian]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

1) Make promises you don't intend to keep.
2) Try to get people to remember that you used their own money to bribe them.
3) Try to tell them that they will get to keep more of that money or get some of it back, then refer to #1.

That describes pretty much the tactic of every political party in Canada.

Yes, but it's only bad when Conservatives do it. When Libs and Dippers do it, it's for purely altruistic reasons that us common peons couldn't possibly grasp.

Obviously Lothian does not live in Ontario .

The Illustrious Count Lothian does live in Ontario and voted Liberal, much to his disappointment .

But Federal parties are much different than Provincial counterparts with the same logo or Party affiliation by name .

The tactics used by Harper are far and wide the most unethical and immoral than any party including actual Conservative parties of the past federal elections, before Harper conned Peter out of the Logo.

[DrCaleb]

CountLothian CountLothian:

before Harper conned Peter out of the Logo.

That would be incorrect. Peter always was willing to jump ship. David was the one Peter conned into supporting him for PC leader, then stabbed David and took the Logo to Stephen.

[CountLothian]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

CountLothian CountLothian:

before Harper conned Peter out of the Logo.

That would be incorrect. Peter always was willing to jump ship. David was the one Peter conned into supporting him for PC leader, then stabbed David and took the Logo to Stephen.

David , who was David.

Interesting and thank you for the lucidity. I always thought MacKay was told if he signed over the logo he would be the leader of the party.

If truth be known I always thought Preston Manning would have been truly great for both Canada and it's politics.


I see no resemblance in Harper towards his mentor Preston.

And I'm pretty sure Preston is disappointed in Harper.
my take on it, is all.

[DrCaleb]

David Orchard.

http://www.davidorchard.com/online/camp ... mckay.html

[CountLothian]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

David Orchard.

http://www.davidorchard.com/online/camp ... mckay.html

WOW!!!

Thanks ever so much for this.

[OnTheIce]

CountLothian CountLothian:

The Illustrious Count Lothian does live in Ontario and voted Liberal, much to his disappointment .

But Federal parties are much different than Provincial counterparts with the same logo or Party affiliation by name .

The tactics used by Harper are far and wide the most unethical and immoral than any party including actual Conservative parties of the past federal elections, before Harper conned Peter out of the Logo.

Living in Ontario, you know the Federal Liberals are tied to the hip of the Ontario Liberals.

A prime example was the OLP getting in the media yesterday "blasting" Harper over the ORPP. It was no accident as the election call is expected on Sunday.

Speaking of unethical, you're a Liberal supporter in Ontario.

[CountLothian]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Living in Ontario, you know the Federal Liberals are tied to the hip of the Ontario Liberals.

A prime example was the OLP getting in the media yesterday "blasting" Harper over the ORPP. It was no accident as the election call is expected on Sunday.

Yes I do as is every federal or provincial party.

But ,and this is a big but, a lot of federal paradigms in any party differ from Provincial ones.
And provincial paradigms differ for the same party from province to province. Thats my point.


In the case of the new pension program , it is to help the future of Ontario's retired to have more money in their basic pension plans.

It's not some draconian tax, and the Federal government's mainstay opposition to the plan is that most won't see any benefit to it for forty years. LOL
They say Justin is not ready but they have not a clue as to what a pension plan actually entails>>>>something that happens when you retire, for a twenty year old thats forty five years later.....lol....lol...

$1:

Speaking of unethical, you're a Liberal supporter in Ontario.

Well Hudac was a total washout , even the staunches of supporters who actually have "A Genuine Conservative Provincial Party" and not some scam logo like the Federals, winced at this guy. And I mean WINCED

So how could I a person who has voted Conservative in federal and provincial elections in the past vote for anyone other than Liberal.

The NDP are one wrung up the amateur economic level than our present federal government . I just can't vote NDP, ever.

[andyt]

BC Liberal Party is certainly not tied to the hip of Liberal Party of Canada. Everybody to the right of the NDP is in the Liberal Party. Many are hard right conservatives/Conservatives. It should be renamed the BCABNDPP. Basically it's a Harperian wet dream, yet you would be quite comfortable in it, since you have the same mindset.

[OnTheIce]

CountLothian CountLothian:

In the case of the new pension program , it is to help the future of Ontario's retired to have more money in their basic pension plans.

It's not some draconian tax, and the Federal government's mainstay opposition to the plan is that most won't see any benefit to it for forty years. .

Yes, it's is a tax. Just like CPP is.

The economy in Canada isn't perfectly stable. Alberta is in rough shape and the Liberals have done their fair share to screw up Ontario. This won't help.

Because the Liberals "know best" they're going to tack on another payroll tax ~1.9% for workers and for the company too. A pension that will give me only 15% back annually upon my retirement. For someone that makes 35k for the majority of their lives get $430 per month.

[CountLothian]

andyt andyt:

BC Liberal Party is certainly not tied to the hip of Liberal Party of Canada. Everybody to the right of the NDP is in the Liberal Party. Many are hard right conservatives/Conservatives. It should be renamed the BCABNDPP. Basically it's a Harperian wet dream, yet you would be quite comfortable in it, since you have the same mindset.

I'm curious as to what edhave you interpret my mindset as.
I'm getting a lot of make up what His Illustrious The Count Lothian is from posters here.

Anyway thank you for at least understanding my take on provincial and federal and inter provincial political bents.