[Pseudonym]

Scape wrote:

They are playing with matches around a very combustible crowd. To plead ignorance to the fallout is utter claptrap. This was not some random holligan at the rally that got caught up in the moment. It is an orchestrated theme and a centrepeice of a smear campaign as this clearly is. For example do you know there are villages in American that do not qualify as being American? Now what the hell sort of BS is that but incitement? So the fact Powell felt the need to call him on it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with responsibilities to not just the crowds that they are pandering to but to all of the people who are eligible to vote.

Now you're not even making sense. McCain has made it abundantly clear that he does not support these remarks. To continue to repeat that he is somehow at fault is either a lie or blatant ignorance.

Palin made a gaffe there and apologized, I don't see how this is a problem beyond that.

[Pseudonym]

lily wrote:

Maybe I should rephrase.

I thought Colin Powell was generally liked and respected by everyone.

I think generally respected will do. People will typically like those who are on their own side.

[Pseudonym]

Point taken.

[Scape]

Pseudonym wrote:

Scape wrote:

They are playing with matches around a very combustible crowd. To plead ignorance to the fallout is utter claptrap. This was not some random holligan at the rally that got caught up in the moment. It is an orchestrated theme and a centrepeice of a smear campaign as this clearly is. For example do you know there are villages in American that do not qualify as being American? Now what the hell sort of BS is that but incitement? So the fact Powell felt the need to call him on it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with responsibilities to not just the crowds that they are pandering to but to all of the people who are eligible to vote.

Now you're not even making sense. McCain has made it abundantly clear that he does not support these remarks. To continue to repeat that he is somehow at fault is either a lie or blatant ignorance.

Palin made a gaffe there and apologized, I don't see how this is a problem beyond that.

What? Are you so insular that you have been living in a cave for the last 6 months? McCain has gone 100% negative in his ads. He has managed to work his rally into such a lather of hate that they are surreal spectacles of shame. Declaring good Americans over bad simply by geographical location? A bit Naziesque don't you think? This coming from a woman who can't even answer a simple question from a third grader correctly! THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME SHE GOT THIS WRONG! It's high time he was held to account for fanning the flames of such rhetoric and not doing anything to calm the inevitable explosion of hate and xenophobia.

His 'attempt' at calming the crowds is tantamount to closing the gate after the horses have bolted. Answer me t6his: WHY WERE THEY SO ANGRY? Obama, a Muslim terrorist? They BOOED McCain when at the mere suggestion that do not have to be scared of as president of the United States. Civil discourse and respect be damned this was whipped up by a desperate, fearful and losing campaign looking for a hail Mary that has put party before country Rhetoric before rational thought and nepotism above all else. Now the genie is out of the bottle they are trying now half heatedly and frankly pathetically to stuff back in but the stopper was uncorked by McCain not some random mob.

[tritium]

Pseudonym wrote:

tritium wrote:

Look Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, both Republican and both BLACK support Obama.. gee go figure.

Stop being racist. You're undermining my arguments.

Just pointing out the facts..

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=37995

[Scape]

"Real American" Backlash


Palin, N.C. lawmaker apologize for comments

Another GOP Rep: "Liberals Hate Real Americans"


How John McCain came to pick Sarah Palin

[Pseudonym]

Scape wrote:

What? Are you so insular that you have been living in a cave for the last 6 months? McCain has gone 100% negative in his ads. He has managed to work his rally into such a lather of hate that they are surreal spectacles of shame. Declaring good Americans over bad simply by geographical location? A bit Naziesque don't you think? This coming from a woman who can't even answer a simple question from a third grader correctly! THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME SHE GOT THIS WRONG! It's high time he was held to account for fanning the flames of such rhetoric and not doing anything to calm the inevitable explosion of hate and xenophobia.

His 'attempt' at calming the crowds is tantamount to closing the gate after the horses have bolted. Answer me t6his: WHY WERE THEY SO ANGRY? Obama, a Muslim terrorist? They BOOED McCain when at the mere suggestion that do not have to be scared of as president of the United States. Civil discourse and respect be damned this was whipped up by a desperate, fearful and losing campaign looking for a hail Mary that has put party before country Rhetoric before rational thought and nepotism above all else. Now the genie is out of the bottle they are trying now half heatedly and frankly pathetically to stuff back in but the stopper was uncorked by McCain not some random mob.

Perhaps you are unaware that "negative ads" have a point? It is distasteful, but when running for office, one must not only promote oneself, but also present why you are a better alternative to your opponents. I certainly realize and dislike that McCain's ads have gone purely negative in the past weeks, but what's your point? Can you show me one of these ads where Obama is called a terrorist? One where they advocate his murder? No you can't. You are libeling a man who has repeatedly stated that he does not approve of that nonsense. You can object to his policies, you can object to his VP choice, you can object to his age, or what have you, but do not expect me to stand for slanders against his character, particularly ones so patently false as these.

[Scape]

Pseudonym wrote:

Can you show me one of these ads where Obama is called a terrorist?

Someone who has done absolutely nothing until it blows up in his face gets what he deserves but McCain is deliberately stirring the hornets nest and is directly culpable. This shtick does not get a moral equivalency pass as it is clear that it is incitement and it was only cranked up to eleven when Palin signed on. Weather this was sloppy, delinquent and amateurish or deliberate Rovian tactics the result was the same: HATE.

[Pseudonym]

Can you distinguish between someone being called a terrorist and someone being criticized for poor judgment for hanging around with an admitted terrorist?

[Pseudonym]

Scape wrote:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2008/10/22/mrc-nbs-bozell-comments-cnns-misquoting-national-review-slam-gov-palin
CNN misquotes the National Review in this video, by the way.

[jason700]

Pseudonym wrote:

Can you distinguish between someone being called a terrorist and someone being criticized for poor judgment for hanging around with an admitted terrorist?

It's an attempt to link "Obama" with "terrorism". And Sarah Palin shouldn't talk about political reform and continue to run a negative campaign. Should we really expect "change" with McCain/Palin?

[Scape]

Pseudonym wrote:

Can you distinguish between someone being called a terrorist and someone being criticized for poor judgment for hanging around with an admitted terrorist?

News flash:

That is an issue that holds little weight with the majority of the electorate

Quote:

By comparison, voters’ top concerns about Obama include, in order:

• Being too inexperienced.
• Being too liberal.
• Raising taxes on some Americans.
• Being too influenced by people like his former pastor Jeremiah Wright and the ‘60s radical Bill Ayers.

DEAD LAST. This issue is a centerpeice of the McCain campaign for weeks and it is a distraction as far as all but the most regimented party faithful. Sorry, but G Gordon Liddy was calling for attacks on Americans as recent as the 1994 that's far more recent then the 1960 and by means of comparison actually relevant but both issues are nothing more at this point then a hen party going over yarns about relationships and ancient history.

Quote:

In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

That 'poor judgment' of Mr. Keating 5 McCain was an investment banking scam that is exactly what caused the current economic crisis but on a much larger scale. What exactly did Obama do when he was 8 years old that brought down the banking system or caused the attacks of 9/11? It's clear the McCain campaign is using fear and smear in a bitter act of desperation not one of trying to define policy or direction.

McCain resorts to nuke scare

More fear and ignorance.

[karasoth]

The toon is Dead on right. Powell started his career in the service by sucking up and helping write the reports for the guys who were inflating numbers in Vietnam and running the war into the ground. He hitched his star in the 70s to the folks in the DoD in the Nixon administration who were key men in the Bush and Reagan administrations. He got promoted out of order because of it (there are orders of seniority to military promotions). He used the Republican party to advance his own career. He says one thing behind closed doors, one thing in public, and one thing to preserve his great historical presence (he is a bit like Kissinger in that regard). He thinks right now he can go down as the guy whose endorsement helped tip Obama over the top. He wants to go down in history as the guy who said "See Obama is A-Ok normal people." and brought the rest of the country along. Also he probably wants to become Obama's George Marshall

[karasoth]

Scape wrote:

Pseudonym wrote:

Scape wrote:

They are playing with matches around a very combustible crowd. To plead ignorance to the fallout is utter claptrap. This was not some random holligan at the rally that got caught up in the moment. It is an orchestrated theme and a centrepeice of a smear campaign as this clearly is. For example do you know there are villages in American that do not qualify as being American? Now what the hell sort of BS is that but incitement? So the fact Powell felt the need to call him on it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with responsibilities to not just the crowds that they are pandering to but to all of the people who are eligible to vote.

Now you're not even making sense. McCain has made it abundantly clear that he does not support these remarks. To continue to repeat that he is somehow at fault is either a lie or blatant ignorance.

Palin made a gaffe there and apologized, I don't see how this is a problem beyond that.

What? Are you so insular that you have been living in a cave for the last 6 months? McCain has gone 100% negative in his ads. He has managed to work his rally into such a lather of hate that they are surreal spectacles of shame. Declaring good Americans over bad simply by geographical location? A bit Naziesque don't you think? This coming from a woman who can't even answer a simple question from a third grader correctly! THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME SHE GOT THIS WRONG! It's high time he was held to account for fanning the flames of such rhetoric and not doing anything to calm the inevitable explosion of hate and xenophobia.

His 'attempt' at calming the crowds is tantamount to closing the gate after the horses have bolted. Answer me t6his: WHY WERE THEY SO ANGRY? Obama, a Muslim terrorist? They BOOED McCain when at the mere suggestion that do not have to be scared of as president of the United States. Civil discourse and respect be damned this was whipped up by a desperate, fearful and losing campaign looking for a hail Mary that has put party before country Rhetoric before rational thought and nepotism above all else. Now the genie is out of the bottle they are trying now half heatedly and frankly pathetically to stuff back in but the stopper was uncorked by McCain not some random mob.

As the Presiding officer of the Senate (when the VP chooses to do so) they DO run the Senate

[mixedfarmer]

I don't put much faith in any endorsements made by newspapers or top people. Canadians are going to suffer for a while with the economy going downhill.