CanadianJeff wrote:
Well you know it's nice that you feel so fine and dandy on the stuff but frankly I myself as well as various friends and sadly family of mine have been far far better off it.
Good for you and your friends and family, but that does nothing to advance your point.
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Your damn right booze is far worse then weed. I think having booze around is honestly not the smartest thing we have ever done as a society but now it's next to impossible to remove.
Just because I said booze is worse than weed doesn't mean I think negatively of it. Yes, drinking too much comes with a myriad of problems, but it is entrenched in Western society. No matter what, alcohol as a business and a vice will never disappear from public consciousness.
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Much like smoking or chewing tabbaco. It's just not a healthy idea in the getgo but now that we have governments making money off the stuff it's next to impossible to get rid of it. Though thankfully tabbaco smoking is starting to vanish at least here in Canada.
I seldom smoke tobacco, but I don't turn down an offer. Smoking is a rather relaxing experience, especially in the company of friends.
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Yes your right being high is diffrent from being drunk. High people are the least likely to pound on your door and the most likely to order pizza.

But that's not to say it can't or won't affect others in the community. My Brother just got the boot out of his apartment for stinking up his suite by smoking pot.
That just means he wasn't smart about smoking pot. He could have found a more private spot to toke up in, or he could have invested in anything that would deodorize an apartment (i.e. Febreze).
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Often those dealing pot end up dealing other harder drugs later on. That's been proven a few times by scientific research. Most drug dealers start small and go big later on. Pot affects the community all be it in a diffrent manner. That's my point.
Pot dealers will cease to exist if pot is legalized. That is my counterpoint.
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No by my logic keeping things like booze and Tabbaco from being legal in the first place prevents them from becoming a dependant with negitives.
Tobacco and booze have been around for a very long time. The Indians smoked it, and it was a very profitable cash crop in colonial America. Alcohol is the oldest artificial drug in the world. People have been drinking almost as long as they have been writing.
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I posted that one badly and I appologize I am mostly just against it ever becoming legal for fear of the government regulation making money off the sale of it. At which point it's going to be hard as hell to get rid of later once we possibly find medical problems with peoples lungs or other organs due to the THC.
We would have made those discoveries by now. More people smoke pot than you might think.
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Frankly if your going to legalize it you have to have some pretty good scientific evidence that there arn't negitive health effects from mass consumption becuase there would be some I'm sure who would consume cheap pot in large amounts if it was grown nice and clean by the government.
Here's the evidence: It's not physiologically addictive (although I have experienced
very mild withdrawal symptoms), it calms me down, it allows me to concentrate more, it helps me sleep, and it gives me a sense of well-being. There is a man who actually uses [url=http://www.intosanity.com/?p=8]federally funded marijuana[url] for health reasons. I also know for a fact that it obliterates nausea, which is a boon to chemotherapy patients.
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Heck BC bud here in Canada is sought after highly becuase of it's clean nature. I know personally speaking that I'd rather have BC bud then anything grown in Saskatchewan. Sticky is good.
I live in California, where medicinal pot is actually sold in shops. It is thoroughly inspected and is very high-quality.
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You know what? I'll admit I may be wrong. But until you can prove to me that smoking that stuff won't cause any further social problems then the ones we already have with the substance and won't cause anything like an increased risk of cancer or increased chance of something like alzheimer's or otherwise I am afraid I can't endorse it.
If anything, everyone will be so mellowed-out that social problems will cease to exist altogether.
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Bottom line is that I am really and honesty worried that this stuff will end up being the tabbaco of the future. When cigerates were introduced we didn't fully understand the health flaws involved with smoking. About 10 years down the line we hit a big bump and went "oops" and by that time it was a much much harsher fight to get people off of smoking.
Cigarettes have been around for a very long time. The reason people have discovered that smoking them may cause cancer is because before the 20th century, people didn't live long enough to get cancer. Pot has coexisted with the advanced science of today, and if there were definite health risks associated with smoking pot, it would have been published by now.
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It's not that I"m unwilling and unable to budge on this it's just I would really like to see a very strong scientific approach to health effects of long term moderate or heavy use of the substance before legalising it.
Does that help clear things up?
I've been exposed to a lot of anti-drug campaigning, and while I understand it's intent, the fact that it uses half-truths and outright stupidity works against it in the long term.