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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:52 pm
 


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Title: Birthers go mainstream (click to view)
Date: March 4, 2011


There's no escaping it: a distressing amount of Republican voters continue to believe, despite all availabe evidence to the contrary, that President Obama was somehow born in Kenya, and is thus constitutionally ineligible to serve in the very office he has occupied for the last two years. Though I'm skeptical of sensationalistic stories like this one, which use the weaselly category of "likely voters" to exaggerate the strength of "birthers" in the GOP base, anysignificant bloc of Republican supporters so firmly in denial of evidence-based standards of reality should be deeply troubling to the leaders of that party.

But it doesn't seem to be. On the contrary, some leading GOP presidential candidates actually seem to be going out of their way to court birther support, or at the very least issue denials-but-not-quite-denials of the conspiracy theory in such a way as to leave the door open to fair-minded birther "moderates," if such a thing can be said to exist.

Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, went on a right-wing talk radio show this week and stated that the "only reason" he was not a birther himself was because he had faith that Hillary Clinton would have dug up some damning evidence during the primary. He then went on to qualify his statement by declaring that Obama grew up in Kenya (which he didn't), was raised by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father and grandfather (which he wasn't), and that this is where the President developed his radical anti-American worldview, or something. Though he's later tried to backtrack from these statements, claiming a "slip of the tongue," if you read the transcript in full, you can see that Huckabee was seriously, knowingly trying to peddle very detailed misinformation about the President's supposed African background.

Newt Gingrich, who kinda-sorta launched his presidential campaign yesterday, has similarly gone on record stating that he believes Obama's "Kenyan, anti-colonial worldview" is the root of his evil policies. Sarah Palin, for her part, has described the birth certificate question as a "fair" thing to ask, in clear language, though she later tried to do a dishonest, Huckabee-like backpedal, too.

There are a few issues at play here, as I see it.

One, as mentioned, is obviously just the awkward strategic politics involved in trying to be a Republican politician in this day and age, where s significantpercentage of the base believes things about the President that are wildly untrue, yet are also highly motivated to go out and vote conservative because of them. In the era of the Tea Party, there are obviously very few points to be gained by any Republican candidate willing to stick up for Obama, no matter how absurd the charges being thrown at him. So, what results is a sort of amiable indifference to birtherism by the party establishment, a cowardly position most GOP candidates will probably be expected to embrace in order to win the votes of the party's most hard-right wing.

But there's another motivating factor, too, a phenomenon I'd describe as "stupid people trying to make smart arguments."

Psychoanalyzing politicians is a useful way to understand their motives. It's why political biographies are so fascinating to read, and why exploring a candidate's personal background is a perfectly legitimate way to attempt to anticipate how he will govern. However, it's also a very delicate and sophisticated art that requires a great deal of thoughtfulness, compassion, and understanding. You can't form an accurate psychological profile of a politician just by cobbling together a few rumours, partisan talking-points, and conspiracy theories. People are complicated, and analyzing someone's life story takes serious effort if you are seeking to draw a meaningful conclusion.

Dinesh D'Souza is a reasonable conservative intellectual who has written a variety of reasonable books on right-wing philosophy. He's now earned a reputation as the sort of "thinking man's birther" for his most recent work, The Roots of Obama's Rage, which seeks to deconstruct the President's biography in a way that seriously questions how Obama's worldview may have been shaped by his feelings towards his absentee African father, and his own, confused identity as a biracial American. I've personally read a very good book called America's Half-Blood Prince that analyzed the President from a similar perspective, crafting a detailed portrait of Obama as troubled individual with complex feelings on race relations and white society, largely by unpacking the man's own words in his famous autobiography.

It's a fair case to make. Obama is a complicated fellow who has, in fact, spent a lot of time thinking about blackness, and Africa, and the Third World, and leftist politics, and capitalism, and white authority, and all the rest of it. In many ways, his background is, in fact, quite "strange," or at least certainly very fair removed from the experience of even the typical black American. It would be naive to think, as a result, that his personal ideology is no different from your average white Democratic politician who got his start on the city council of some middle class suburb.

Though it may be the stuff of excellent books, I'm not sure that this is an argument that has a place in the mainstream discourse, however. A lot of people simply don't like reading books — excellent or otherwise — for starters, and as a result are only interested in regurgitating the half-understood, secondhand arguments of other, smarter people. When this happens, as I believe occurred with Governor Huckabee, what ensues is a lot of dopey people making sloppy, grossly simplified arguments that belittle the sophistication of the point the original thinker was trying to argue. Then the 24-hour news media, ever-eager to condense things even further, reduces the ignorant comment to an even more ignorant sound-byte, and by that point we've completely descended into childish name-calling, with no intellectual depth whatsoever.

There are many stages of stupidity needed to transform the arguments of a D'Souza into the sort of nonsense many Republican politicians (and man-in-the-street supporters) are spouting these days, but that seems to be the only level of discourse the American political culture appears lazy enough to handle.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:00 pm
 


All of these critics could be silenced by Obama cutting loose a $12 copy of the original, long form birth certificate.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:21 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
All of these critics could be silenced by Obama cutting loose a $12 copy of the original, long form birth certificate.


That is highly unlikely... the silence that is.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:51 pm
 


Has anyone read D'Souza's book? I've heard some good things about him in general, but not much in terms of the specifics of his books. Not that I need more books though, I have a five or six novel backlog at the moment.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:58 pm
 


Anybody want to see my birth certificat? :?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:02 pm
 


isn't it locked away in a museum as an historical document?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:12 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
All of these critics could be silenced by Obama cutting loose a $12 copy of the original, long form birth certificate.

Would you? I wouldn't. I don't justify crazy behaviour by entertaining it. You do exactly what Obama's doing by taking the high-road and ignoring them. They're lunatics. Fuck 'em. I can't even believe I'm posting on this thread. It's so childish that I'm ashamed of myself. I have to roll my eyes at myself for even participating in this discussion. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:31 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
All of these critics could be silenced by Obama cutting loose a $12 copy of the original, long form birth certificate.

:roll:


http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazona ... tObama.jpg

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And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:13 pm
 


R=UP

Amen. That ought to end this thread and put this crazy nonesense to bed for a while. It should be cross-posted or merged with the other fucking psycho birther thread in play right now.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:28 pm
 


As a Canadian I could care less if Obama really was born in Kenya, Indonesia or Quebec.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:36 pm
 


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As a Canadian sane human I could care less if Obama really was born in Kenya, Indonesia or Quebec.

Fixed that for you.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:57 pm
 


Canadaka wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
All of these critics could be silenced by Obama cutting loose a $12 copy of the original, long form birth certificate.

:roll:


http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazona ... tObama.jpg


Silly, silly person. You think an online .jpg will satisfy anyone?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7698724/Foren ... ertificate

Personally I think Obama was born in the USA, there is no way he'd have the courage to do all this without someone to throw under the bus if the truth were discovered. This is all just useful distractions, something the Dems can whip up for sympathy and to make fun of people like Huckabee when they mis-speak.

If anything I think Obama's dual citizenship at birth should have been an issue during the campaign, since his father was not an American citizen. It could be argued that Obama is not a 'natural born citizen.' Not that we can do anything about it now.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:02 pm
 


Lemmy wrote:
ShepherdsDog wrote:
As a Canadian [s]sane human someone who doesn't care about the founding documents of a nation which delegates the powers of the executive branch and states the pre-requisites which must be met to wield that power I could care less if Obama really was born in Kenya, Indonesia or Quebec.

Fixed that for you.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:13 pm
 


Sorry. i can only lay claim to being a Canadian, and I still don't give a shit where the American, Russian, Israeli, Mexican, Bolivian, French, German, Indian, Pakistani(etc, etc) president was born.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:21 pm
 


If Obama was not born in the U.S.A., the Bush White House would have found out.


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