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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:25 pm
 


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Title: Border priorities (click to view)
Date: August 27, 2010
One of the most boringly chauvinist issues in modern Canadian politics is the matter of "arctic sovereignty," which is to say, Canada's presumed God-given right to control pretty much everything within the Arctic circle, and then some.

I don't know if your maps are the same way, but most Canadian maps entrust Canada with all of the islands of northern North America, from the 70th parallel all the way up to the North Pole. It's land claim Canadians somewhat irrationally take for granted, considering that Canadians did not discover or colonize, and certainly do not inhabit or control, most of this territory — a reality reflected by the fact that many of the islands don't even have English names. Much of Canada's assertion of ownership over the Arctic consists of nothing more than that — assertion.

A harmless bit of bluster you might say, but in recent years the presumption has taken on a more aggressive tone, as Prime Minister Haprer has loudly proclaimed his intentions to "defend Canadian sovereignty" over the North. Along with the nationalistic appeal, it's a project that significantly excites much of the federal government, who hope to find natural resources up there that can be extracted and taxed without any pesky provincial governments to get in the way, and the military bureaucracy, who are delighted at the prospect of being asked to go around conquistadoring these northern lands. And if past precedent is any indication, Canada's misadventures in the north will be very much 17th Century in flavor; planting flags, installing plaques, that sort of thing.

All this stuff costs a lot of money, of course, and Harper has yet to put a price tag on his comprehensive "arctic sovereignty" plan, though we know that the individual jets and ice breakers and spy satellites and mountaintop castle commando posts he wants will easily cost into the billions. Again, mostly in the persuit of theoretical riches, and the apprehension of theoretical future threats to Canada from the Russians or Americans or whoever.

The constant use of the phrase "sovereignty" to defend our claim to the North is ironic, however, when one considers just how bad the Canadian government has proven itself to be in enforcing our sovereignty everywhere else. Earlier this month we of course had the whole Tamil refugee incident, and this week the RCMP unveiled another massive domestic terrorism bust, hatched in part by radical Islamist immigrants. And everyone already knows how porous the 49th parallel is. I'd make the case that getting a handle on Canada's Eastern, Western, Southern, and airport borders should take priority over reasserting some imginary right to ownership of Axel-Heiberg Island, but that's just me.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:39 pm
 


You nailed this one pretty much right on the money. Then again the last 2 years or so has seen Harper putting more of his own wishes and priorities ahead of the country. Especially in terms of budget. I daresay a few more years of spending like this and Canada will be in serious debt. This needs to stop.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:50 pm
 


A majority government would likely see an end to most of the spending, because they wouldn't be appeasing the Liberals, NDP and BQ scum, and a return to fiscally conservative policies. Too bad they couldn't tone down their social conservatism and recruit fiscal conservatives, like ...dare I say..... Paul Martin.

As the LPC drifts further into the looney toon left of the political spectrum, the real liberals and fiscal conservatives are going to need a home...or perhaps a new party.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:41 pm
 


Honestly I wish I could be as optimistic but I think most of the reason that Harper's spending has gone so out of control is that he doesn't feel like he needs to concede fiscal responsibility.

What Harper is spending money on are not typical left wing projects like gun registry, child care and the like.

It's been spent on fiascoes like the g20 summit, arctic sovereignty, more prisons and other conservative causes. Usually the conservatives would balance fiscal responsibility with these policies but this has NOT been the case under the Harper conservatives.

I hate to say it but I almost actually miss Paul Martin right now because at least he tried to keep the books balanced. I don't this this overspending has much to do with appeasing the left as much as making a few very bad decisions on spending in a recession.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:03 pm
 


Is "more prisons" a conservative cause?

We Americans certainly appreciated Canada's chauvinistic assertion of arctic sovereignty during the cold war; radar bases in Canada (and Alaska) were an important early warning system, part of the greater nuclear deterrence program. But I don't see any way in which that approval extends into the modern situation.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:54 pm
 


Surely if global warming is as alarmingly bad as some people make it out to be, the accessibility and utility of the Canadian arctic is due to increase substantially?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:57 pm
 


CanadianJeff wrote:
You nailed this one pretty much right on the money. Then again the last 2 years or so has seen Harper putting more of his own wishes and priorities ahead of the country. Especially in terms of budget. I daresay a few more years of spending like this and Canada will be in serious debt. This needs to stop.


Hello! harper and flaherty have the country on the brink of bankruptcy! We have the hugest debt in history. So forget serious debt, your great grandchildrens children will be paying for it


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:01 pm
 


Kwyjor wrote:
Surely if global warming is as alarmingly bad as some people make it out to be, the accessibility and utility of the Canadian arctic is due to increase substantially?


This is interesting to me, because yes, a large part of the reason we care about the Arctic is because global warming will supposedly make the northern islands more arable, and thus able to harvest for minerals and things. But at the same time, aren't right-wingers supposed to be very skeptical of the alleged effects of global warming? On this issue they seem to want to have it both ways.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:16 pm
 


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Is "more prisons" a conservative cause?

We Americans certainly appreciated Canada's chauvinistic assertion of arctic sovereignty during the cold war; radar bases in Canada (and Alaska) were an important early warning system, part of the greater nuclear deterrence program. But I don't see any way in which that approval extends into the modern situation.

I am honestly amazed an American just called Canadians chauvinistic, we have had uncontested claim to the area for almost a hundred years, we even recently apologized to the Inuit over a relocation effort we did during the cold war to populate them.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:18 pm
 


kenmore wrote:
Hello! harper and flaherty have the country on the brink of bankruptcy! We have the hugest debt in history. So forget serious debt, your great grandchildrens children will be paying for it


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Who was in power when the debt to GDP ratio peaked Kenmore?


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kenmore wrote:
Hello! harper and flaherty have the country on the brink of bankruptcy! We have the hugest debt in history. So forget serious debt, your great grandchildrens children will be paying for it


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Who was in power when the debt to GDP ratio peaked Kenmore?

I knew we could count on the conservatives to bring up the debt to GDP ratio.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:30 pm
 


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saturn_656 wrote:
kenmore wrote:
Hello! harper and flaherty have the country on the brink of bankruptcy! We have the hugest debt in history. So forget serious debt, your great grandchildrens children will be paying for it


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Who was in power when the debt to GDP ratio peaked Kenmore?

I knew we could count on the conservatives to bring up the debt to GDP ratio.


Care to dispute the information provided?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:55 pm
 


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Care to dispute the information provided?

Conservatives ruled from 84 to 93. Where do you see the fastest rise?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:52 pm
 


If you want to play that game... I'm not going to play back very hard because, as an American, it doesn't really concern me as much as it concerns you, but... for the sake of simple "hey, aren't facts neat," I should point out that Chrétien was in power from 1993 to 2003. Had he left office in 1996, the Conservatives may have a point about the "look who was on watch when the debt soared" thing, but as it stands, that graph looks suspiciously like the Liberals came in near the top of the hill and oversaw it actually going back down.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:05 am
 


Kjorteo nailed it which is why I have such a disappointment in the current conservative budget and spending plan.

I'm sorry but Harper may be conservative on many fronts but budget is not one of them.


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