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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:15 am
 


HyperionTheEvil wrote:
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The Torys recived less votes and got less seats then needed to form a majority government.

The GG has the right to appoint a prime minister from a coalition of political parties with the most seats in the House of Commons.


Simplistic and wrong as ever donny boy


Actually, that's a concise and 100% accurate statement of Canadian constitutional law, Hyperion: like it or not.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:24 am
 


We should really discuss the difference between legal right and moral right again. If we keep beating that dead horse, all the world's problems will just melt away.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:17 pm
 


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We should really discuss the difference between legal right and moral right again. If we keep beating that dead horse, all the world's problems will just melt away.


No kidding.


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Tegan wrote:
Oh, please Ruez, that sounds ridiculous. The Bloc agreed in Gilles Duceppe's speech to take all separatist issues off the table during the Coalition. That is UNITY, for right wing types who don't know the meaning of the word.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Meanwhile the Conservatives will continue to run the country.


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I like that I'm the hippie for defending Stephen Harper of the Conservative Party's minority government against a coalition consisting of the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Quebecois.

Hahaha! You're right - that is too funny.


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If a government is ever formed in a democratic country it's because it was voted into power by the people in a fair and open election.... The problem is that the coalition denies this ideal.... Most voters going into the voting booth never had the expectation of anything other then electing a one party government.
The reality in a minority situation though, is that you need coalitions of some form, otherwise you don't have the confidence of the house, and it's back to the voting booth. And these coalitions are always formed post-election, because who goes into an election advocating a partnership with another party (ok fine, the Libs/Greens, but look where that got them). 99% of the time it's a coalition between the largest party and whatever smaller party they need to get 50%+1 of the house, but there's nothing saying it HAS to be that way. Our constitution was written with a pretty large opening there. I doubt it was done by accident. Our constitution was based off of England's, and they'd had hundreds of years in which a similar situation could have occurred.

In fact, in 1931, a similar situation occurred in the UK. The Labour government, reeling from the Depression and a scandal, as well as being unable to decide on some rather contentious market reform policies, resigned. The Conservative and Liberal parties were invited to speak with the King, and asked to form an "all parties" coalition, to temporarily run the country until the budget could be tabled, after which the coalition would dissolve and general elections held.

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This IS a violation of what the general public thinks happens in the house.
Most people think they are voting for the prime-minister too, instead of for their own MP who's party the PM happens to lead. Imagine the stink if Harper were replaced mid-term. Or actually, remember the rants of "I didn't vote for him" when Martin succeeded Chretien. Some things require an election. Changing party leader, or parties voting together, is not one of them. Would people demanding an immediate election to give the new guy a mandate be any less informed than those who think parties aren't allowed to negotiate and vote together towards a common goal?

As another comparison, look at some of the furor over Harper planning to appoint new Senators. Some people seem to believe Harper isn't "allowed" to appoint Senators while the Parliament is prorogued. However, while right in a technical sense (Harper doesn't appoint anyone, as a member of the Privy Council he "advises" the Governor General, who appoints Senators), they are incorrect in the broad sense. Nothing in the constitution states that Senators can only be appointed during a sitting session.


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I just found this whole thing rather interesting to observe from a distance. The way it looks to me is, had the Liberal/NDP+Quebec coalition successfully forced the no confidence vote, they would have ended up with a Liberal/NDP Coalition government with an even smaller minority than the Conservative government that it replaced, with the Quebec bloc being the deciding vote on nearly any vote that came up. No official power, but all the power that really matters.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:35 am
 


For what's it's worth, the coalition bogey-man seems to have worked. Flaherty has been "consulting" with the Libs on budget goals, and the Libs seem pretty satisfied that he's actually serious about working with them on this.

The proof will be in the pudding come Jan 26th of course. Then we'll see if they actually work together, or if one side blinks.





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For what's it's worth, the coalition bogey-man seems to have worked. Flaherty has been "consulting" with the Libs on budget goals, and the Libs seem pretty satisfied that he's actually serious about working with them on this.

The proof will be in the pudding come Jan 26th of course. Then we'll see if they actually work together, or if one side blinks.


The boogey man is called COALITION to Iggy and his Liberals.


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The boogey man is called COALITION to Iggy and his Liberals.
Isn't that what I just said? It's a boogey man, and Harper blinked. Now it goes back under the bed as long as Harper plays nice with the budget.

Ironically, polls showed that had Harper stood up to the confidence vote and asked for an election, he likely would have won a majority. Oh well, his loss.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:56 am
 


It also doesn't change the fact most Canadians myself included don't trust the bloc for a minute and don't think it's in the best interests of Canada to give them any more attention then need be.

Frankly we'd all be better off if they went into a corner and died to make way for a Quebec rights party that doesn't have a platform of separation.


jaberwock: I should not that I don't disagree with your response at all and I was hoping it was how someone was going to respond. I'm simply saying that the coalition is praying on ignorance of most people. That's all.





PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:44 am
 


Tegan wrote:
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Blow it out you're ass Streaker. You're the pest in these discussions.


Gee, when logic and reasoning fails, the Cons revert to swearing. Are we starting a trend?

It seems that Liberals are more literate and know how to express themselves in more appropriate language. The notion that lack of education and right wing politics go together might be true after all. :lol: :lol: :lol:



you haven't been around long enough to know the reverse is true.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:17 am
 


CanadianJeff wrote:
I should not that I don't disagree with your response at all and I was hoping it was how someone was going to respond. I'm simply saying that the coalition is praying on ignorance of most people. That's all.
Isn't that how most politics works? Smoke and mirrors. ;)


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