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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:56 pm
 


Kjorteo, I'm not all that fond of criticizing evolution since I'm about 99% sure it's true, but I have heard some good, rational, even atheistic arguments criticizing the theory of evolution being the sole diversifying factor of terrestrial life. My personal favorite notes from information theory that there is a difference between a communication medium and the message communicated, the internet connection and the network cable. This necessary distinction is applied to living things: just because you have a physical brain in perfect functioning form does not mean it necessarily contains a coherent mind, just as a network cable does not necessarily contain communication data. Thus, even if evolution from a common ancestor explains the physical diversity of Earth's species, it does not explain the origin of the functional, self-aware mind. (Ugh, I'm so dissatisfied with that explanation; where is that dang bookmark!? It explained the idea so much better.)

Though I know less specifics, Ben Stein argues against evolution without being part of or advocating any religion. Instead, he sees evolution as the philosophical basis for modern imperialism and might-makes-right military behavior, an argument far more political than religious. This fits well into his professional field of politics (which predates his days as an actor).

While evolution criticism is dominated by religious faith standing opposed to scientific evidence, it is not entirely composed of such. The conclusion still does not inherently invalidate or even classify the reasoning behind it.

Liam, I'm not necessarily doubting that you have reasons for believing what you do, just that sometimes you forget to mention those reasons instead opting for personal attacks or social pressure.

I completely agree with your stem cell statements. The issue essentially resolved itself without government intervention, now that identical stem cells are procurable without destroying an embryo.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:09 pm
 


See my opinion on stem cells is above all based on the fact that you don't even have to kill an embryo anymore in order to get them - hence why those opposing research (or at least, as it seems in this case, opposing government funding of the research with arguments that to all ends and extent condemn the entire idea) simply get me fuming.

Now we just need isolated cells... it's no worse than a vaccine. Heck, those are made with bacteria - cells - after all.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:29 pm
 


fire_i hits the nail on the head as the only method of stem cells I support at all. But that particular method I strongly support. It's ending a life or potential life that gets me "fuming"

anyway about Huckabee. I just found a great quote by Romney that sums up my words.

"No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes president he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.
-- in a December 6, 2007, speech on faith"


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:48 am
 


Psudo: "just that sometimes you forget to mention those reasons instead opting for personal attacks"

SHUT UP, I HATE YOU. :D


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