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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:14 pm
 


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Title: Gay marriage gossip (click to view)
Date: January 13, 2012
If any ambitious student is ever searching for an elegant case study of how social media is making us all more ignorant, biased, and lazy when it comes to consuming news, the last two days of Canadian political drama would be an excellent place to start.

For some time now, Canadian liberals have been in a bit of a pickle. During their country's long heyday of Liberal rule (1993-2006), many of them grew quite smug and complacent about their ability to control the nation's patriotic narrative. They took it for granted, in short, that Canada was a fundamentally liberal country, and it would be forever ruled under something resembling a "liberal consensus" that certainly did not involve professional right-wing demagogues like Stephen Harper. But then Stephen Harper was elected anyway. Cue the confusion and paranoia.

Though Harper has not governed as much of a radical, some sectors of the Canadian left remain so convinced of the incompatibility of conservative politicians with the liberal consensus that they believe he must plan to eventually. Thus, the permanence of one of the most tired tropes of modern Canadian politics: the Conservative hidden agenda to chip away at all the liberal gains of the last decade.

On Thursday morning, the liberal-leaning Globe and Mail published a front page story noting that a lawyer representing the Harper administration had recently filed a brief in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in which he appeared to suggest the government should disincentivize the fad of "gay marriage tourism" which had become briefly fashionable after Canada legalized the practice in 2005.

Actually, to even phrase it that way is to cast unduly sinister aspersions on what were really fairly benign motives. Common-law precedent has long held that marriage tourism of any sort — ie, when a couple marries in a country outside of their own — is only ever legally valid in the long-term so far as the bride and groom's country agrees to recognize it.

Thus, the position of this one, faceless government lawyer was that a certain foreign lesbian couple — a Briton and an American — who had wed in Canada in 2005 and now wished to return to Canada to divorce, were not really married in Canada at all, since neither of their home countries' recognized the validity of their Canadian marriage.

If this sounds like a fairly arcane, lawyerly argument, it's because it is. But it's also precedent, and has long been applied to couples of all nationalities, gay or straight, who trope around the world getting married under wildly different laws than their own countries recognize. This particular lesbian couple appeared to be pressing the point mostly for self-gain; they were demanding $30,000 in damages from Canada's "discriminatory" marriage laws that had the audacity to demand they live in Canada in order to stay married in Canada and eventually gain the right to divorce in Canada.

Well, God help you if you were a Canadian on Facebook or Twitter this Thursday. Endless LGBT blogs seized on the Globe story, rephrased and summarized it a few times, and then churned out scandalous headlines about how "gay marriage was under attack in Canada" and how the Harper government was finally showing its true colours and eroding one of the hallmarks of the Canadian liberal order. Good old Dan Savage, who I am getting more than a little tired of, weighed in immediately, declaring that he and his partner — who had gotten married in Vancouver — were automatically "divorced last night" thanks to Harper. A Baltimore lesbian was apparently "in tears" over the news, according to a CBC story with a wonderfully behind-covering headline ("Is same-sex marriage at risk in Canada?"). Within hours, one guy had even churned out this website, apologizing to the whole wide world that Canada had allowed Stephen Harper to take charge. It now has over 18,000 Facebook likes.

Later that afternoon, the controversy eventually made its way to the Prime Minister himself, who repeated the same thing he's been saying for years and years: his government is not opposed to same-sex marriage and has absolutely no plan to de-legalize it. In an act of good will, the Justice Minister even declared that he would soon introduce legislation to Parliament to undo eons of common-law precedent, and uphold the perpetual international legality of all Canadian marriages performed in Canada, even if the home country doesn't recognize them and the partners don't live in Canada. In the words of one legal blog, this is very much the "kind of xenophobic approach [that] offends the principles of international comity and is generally frowned upon."

Got that? Not only is this government supportive of same-sex marriage, it is now apparently prepared to violate all sorts of understood international legal customs in order to aggressively prove it to the world.

The whole episode was a truly disgraceful example of what an ignorant game of telephone social media has become when it comes to discussing current events. A story is repeated and retold, repeated and retold, picking up all sorts of colorful new facts and spin and conspiracy theories along the way. Eventually, even if the facts people are repeating to each other no longer bear any passing resemblance to reality, it's still a "controversy" that deserves attention by sheer virtue of existing. And then we start to comment on the controversy, and the whole gross cycle begins anew.

There are a lot of liberals and leftists in this country who just want to believe the absolute worst about the Harper government, and they're certainly welcome to do that. And there's clearly a lot of liberal nationalists who are facing some sort of deep, existential dilemma from seeing their supposedly perpetually liberal country under conservative rule, and I guess I can sympathize with that, too. But there is really no excuse for the depths of willing, eager, paranoid ignorance in which much of this country's left is willing to wallow.

Even if you're a Harper hater, one has to wonder if the man is really worth destroying the civility of Canadian public discourse over.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:22 pm
 


I heard about this, and this was my reaction.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:19 pm
 


There's more than one Liberal supporter I've met who is *convinced* that Harper and his devious conspiracy to highjack Canadian values is "only around the corner". It was supposed to happen when he first became PM, then when he got a majority... they're still waiting. It's as if they *want* something drastic to happen so then can wrap themselves in the Canadian flag and then reclaim the values of Trudeau or something.

The truth is Harper's conservative government has been dull. They've performed reasonably well, steered Canada fairly well through the global recession, and been really very boring (I'm not a Harper supporter). I recall that the budget which triggered the last election was pretty much the same one that *did* get passed post-election.

Harper is like an effective and practical boss -- maybe you're not drinking beers with him after work, but you have to grudgingly admit he's decent at what does.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:39 pm
 


DanSC wrote:
I heard about this, and this was my reaction.

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You're Obama? It all makes sense now...


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Gunnair wrote:
You're Obama? It all makes sense now...

You caught me. I can't get anything done because I spend so much time reading articles about Canada.


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DanSC wrote:
Gunnair wrote:
You're Obama? It all makes sense now...

You caught me. I can't get anything done because I spend so much time reading articles about Canada.


Romney will be making some hay with this.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:14 pm
 


Gunnair wrote:
Romney will be making some hay with this.

But only to Quebec, just to piss of Newt with his French.


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If marriage is about a couple's love alone, what does it mean when this jurisdiction considers you married and that one doesn't? If "marriage" is a description of your relationship with each other and nothing else, how can you be married and not married depending on who you ask?

Marriage inherently requires societal recognition, and societal recognition cannot exist without a representative of society there to officially recognize and report whether there has been recognition. In our religiously pluralistic and sometimes non-religious society, no religion has the universal recognition necessary to fulfill that purpose. But government does.


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Psudo wrote:
If marriage is about a couple's love alone, what does it mean when this jurisdiction considers you married and that one doesn't? If "marriage" is a description of your relationship with each other and nothing else, how can you be married and not married depending on who you ask?

Marriage inherently requires societal recognition, and societal recognition cannot exist without a representative of society there to officially recognize and report whether there has been recognition. In our religiously pluralistic and sometimes non-religious society, no religion has the universal recognition necessary to fulfill that purpose. But government does.


Qué?

This is just a storm whipped up by the lesbo's lawyer. They want to get divorced even tho back home they're not recognized as legally married. It's just a stunt, same with the lesbos who married and divorced within a week. It's all just to prove a point. It's too bad Harper caved, because what he's proposing now actually goes against international law.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:58 am
 


Really, the best thing this lesbian couple and Mr. Savage could do is become Canadian already. Then there wouldn't be any problems.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:11 pm
 


I just want to comment on the excellent construction of the comic itself on this one. The way all of the speech bubbles (and that newspaper in the corner) convey the slowly-decaying telephone-type transition as you go from left to right is very effective.


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Psudo wrote:
If marriage is about a couple's love alone, what does it mean when this jurisdiction considers you married and that one doesn't? If "marriage" is a description of your relationship with each other and nothing else, how can you be married and not married depending on who you ask?

That's a question for the Catholic Church I'd say.

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Marriage inherently requires societal recognition, and societal recognition cannot exist without a representative of society there to officially recognize and report whether there has been recognition. In our religiously pluralistic and sometimes non-religious society, no religion has the universal recognition necessary to fulfill that purpose. But government does.

True, but your gov't also seems to prefer a particular religiously archaic definition of marriage, thusly allowing religion to interfere with governance and/or influence it.


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PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
That's a question for the Catholic Church
Huh? Why, because of how they used to be the super-national authority centuries ago?

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
your gov't also seems to prefer a particular religiously archaic definition of marriage
Which government? My federal government recognizes whatever definition of marriage is used by the state of residence, and the states are all over the map in their definitions. What makes that "religious" or "archaic"?


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Psudo wrote:
PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
That's a question for the Catholic Church
Huh? Why, because of how they used to be the super-national authority centuries ago?

Uh no. Maybe I should explain sarcastic irony to you? You asked "If "marriage" is a description of your relationship with each other and nothing else, how can you be married and not married depending on who you ask?"
It was a suggestion, not an appeal to authourity.


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