[BartSimpson]

Thanos wrote:

1. I have no tolerance for the level of phony populist, corporate astroturf, wannabe revolutionary hypocrisy that these people constantly exude.

You're intolerant. So noted.

Thanos wrote:

2. Their overwhelming ignorance on just about anything factual is appalling.

Since you raised the subject, care to offer any actual facts to support your point of view?

Thanos wrote:

3. Their tendency to ally themselves with discredited conspiracy theories is disgusting.

Facts, please.

Thanos wrote:

4. Their leaders, like Palin and Beck, are complete and total phonies.

Hyperbole.

Thanos wrote:

5. For all their own flaws, at least the Democrats and liberals can offer policy. Even if it's wrong policy, at least it has been thought out anf presented as viable alternatives to current trends and directions. The Tea Party and the GOP can't. "Cut taxes and spending (except on any of the stuff we like)" isn't policy, it's an empty and useless catchphrase.

You're not even offering facts to support people you like.

Thanos wrote:

6. Their level of "I've got mine, Jack, so fuck you" contempt for their fellow citizens who aren't as fortunate is a total disgrace.

As ooposed to the "I want what you got" contempt for their fellow citizens that liberals evidence? As in Obama's comment to that plumber guy about taking your wealth and redistributing it? (FYI, that's an example of a fact being used to illustrate a point. Feel free to try it sometime).

Thanos wrote:

7. Their level of messianic belief in an unregulated free market that is almost single-handedly responsible for collapsing the entire world economy is completely inexplicable; those Wall Street bastards should have been put in prison for the rest of their lives for what they did, not worshipped by these fools even more than they (allegedly) worship Jesus.

Those same people railed against the bailouts. I recall you opposed the bailouts, too.

Thanos wrote:

8. Their selfishness and cruelty, especially on issues of race and the constitutional rights of the individual, is something that belongs in 1710, not 2010.

Hyperbole.

Thanos wrote:

What more do you need.? As far as I'm concerned, any person who can calculate 2+2=4 shouldnt have anything at all to do with this movement. It's that damn simple.

Thanos, you've made an entire argumnet utterly devoid of facts and one based on pure rhetoric and emotion. Ironically, this is exactly what you're accusing Beck et al of doing.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson wrote:

A discussion for another topic.

Perhaps, but I'll call anyone any time they attempt to quote Jesus. But I've noticed that you like to put words in others' mouths. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you'd do that to Christ as well.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

A discussion for another topic.

Perhaps, but I'll call anyone any time they attempt to quote Jesus. But I've noticed that you like to put words in others' mouths. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you'd do that to Christ as well.

Quote:

Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

They're not my words.

[xerxes]

Pseudonym wrote:

xerxes wrote:

Beck is simply another demogogue, the kind who springs up and thrives when times are tough and/or there's a war on (in this case two). He's no different than Father Coughlin or Joeseph Goebbels, or the announcers on Radio Rwanda or any other like him in our recent history.

They will never run for political office, but will be the popular enabler of the radical zealots who do. That's where the anti-Beck anger comes from; we've seen his kind before and we know where it leads.

Beck is a political talking head, like many others. What calls for genocide and racial purity have you heard from him? They demonize the political class, what has that to do with racism? I just can't reconcile these parallels with reality. I can't think of a radical right winger going on a rampage during the past few years, but I can point to a few radical leftists. Where is our sense of proportion?

His constant attacks on the 'progressive' enemies is where it can start. He is constantly demonizing a large portion of the US population and that is how it starts.

[Psudo]

Where what starts? What, specifically, is the accusation against Beck?

He's annoying, but he's long been annoying. That hasn't started recently.

He criticizing another major ideology, but ideologies have criticized each other forever. The USA is two large proportions perpetually demonizing the other, and has been since the Federalists and the Republicans (or before).

So what is 'starting' just recently?

[Teikiatsu]

Pseudonym wrote:

The vitriol thrown at Glenn Beck and his supporters makes me inclined to support them for no other reason than contrariness. He's touching on some kind of nerve, and a lot of people just can't stand it.

Love him or hate him, Beck successfully predicted the 2007 recession a year and a half before it happened and was attacking Bush policies (social and military) starting in 2006. A lot of people forget that.

I'm not calling him a prophet or a psychic, but he has a sideway style of looking at and analyzing things and he isn't afraid to speak his mind no matter how unpopular it is.

[ASLplease]

I predicted that Seagrams stock were going to go up, and won my school's stock market challenge game.

[Teikiatsu]

xerxes wrote:

His constant attacks on the 'progressive' enemies is where it can start. He is constantly demonizing a large portion of the US population and that is how it starts.

Demonizing? Depends on your perspective. Beck plays quotes from progressive leaders uneditted, in context, recorded in their voice and inflections. (Unlike Media Matters or Kos who take conservatives out of context as part of their business model.)

Large Portion? Debatable. High guesstimations are 20%, but those Americans willing to knowlingly pursue extreme progressive goals at the cost of their own self interest is probably closer to 5%.

[Dragom]

Beck isn't as bad as he could be.

What's the name of the one that stops exactly one step shy of asking all good Republicans to grab their baseball bats on election day and deliver savage beatings to everyone wearing a "Vote Democrat" pin?

Scrawny little thing? Needs to eat a damn sandwich?

[Thanos]

BartSimpson wrote:

rabble-rabble-rabble

Thanos, you've made an entire argumnet utterly devoid of facts and one based on pure rhetoric and emotion. Ironically, this is exactly what you're accusing Beck et al of doing.

I've run out of responses, mostly because I'm stoned out of my tree right now on muscle relaxers and Percocets. Anyone interested in understanding how I feel about all this divisive Yankee krazeeness, please go here for moar.

Everyone else, listen to this kitteh before it's too late!

[PluggyRug]

The demonising of Beck et al is just another hole the left wing are digging.

Unfortunately for them, the bottom of the hole is where they will find themselves come November.

[Thanos]

^^^



Also, more sheer hilarity at around the 2:00 mark:

[PluggyRug]

Remember remember the 5th of November, gunpowder treason and plot.

Like I said, it's fun to watch the wimps knee wobblies at the sound of the name Beck.

[CanadianJeff]

Pseudonym wrote:

CanadianJeff wrote:

My biggest problem with them is the total late of separation of church and state.

There are others of course but that's the biggest and the clearest.

I would like you to be more clear. Are you objecting to the use of religion in informing their viewpoint, or is there some policy regarding religion in the public sphere you find objectionable? If the former, you are asking individuals to ignore their fundamental life perspectives when voting, which is nonsensical. If the latter, then I need to know of which particular policy you are speaking.

A fair question. I am not referring directly to their use of Religion to try and address their viewpoint but two very stupid policies:

1) The reinstatement of prayer and worship in schools.

2) the Teaching of "Intelligent design" in the classroom.

3) That the nation has "lost" god or that we are a less moral nation then in the past and that is the problem.

Basically I object to their policy of trying to enforce god on a "Christian nation"