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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:35 am
 


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Title: Half-solutions to the debt (click to view)
Date: April 18, 2011
In the wake of last week's big, drawn-out legislative compromise over the passage of America's 2011 operating budget, attention has quickly shifted to the matter of future budgets, and how to best avoid the same sort of agonizing partisan horse-trading every time the government needs money. While America's sky-high deficit and debt levels remain far from resolved, there seems to be a growing consensus that the time has come for a single, comprehensive, adult solution to dealing with these problems, rather than just a lot of falsely scandalized fear and self-righteous outrage over these very old, omnipresent fiscal concerns.

It's in this context that Wisconsin GOP Congressman Paul Ryan, currently the House budget chairman, has stepped, releasing an ambitious "budget blueprint" that sets out strict guidelines for the next ten years of US spending, which, if followed, will supposedly get the nation's fiscal house in order. The plan, which is far more heady, intellectual, and serious than much of what passes for Republican policy these days, received largely favorable coverage in the press — at least initially — and was widely celebrated as a "visionary" and "courageous" document in official GOP circles. On Friday the Republican-controlled House of Representatives easily passed the Ryan plan on a strictly party-line vote, and though the plan will never pass the Senate or get President Obama's signature, it will nevertheless serves as a very clear and accessible artifact of the conservative agenda for a long time to come.

What makes the Ryan plan so "congrageous" in the eyes of many right-wing observers is that it's extremley unapologetic and shameless in how far it takes the principle of spending cuts. After ushering in $100 billion in cuts for the year 2012 — almost tripling the cuts that were approved for this year — Ryan's plan continues cutting at similarly high levels, year after year, for the next decade, lowering the amount of government spending as a percentage of the GDP, as one article put it, "to levels not seen since the first half of the 20th century."

Such cuts will come at the expense of federal departments like education and environmental regulation, but significantly, also Medicare and Medicaid, which had, until now, usually been considered third rails to even the most heard-hearted GOP politician. While Medicaid will simply be dumped on the states to pay for, the Ryan plan retains federal responsibility for Medicare, but also beings a process of gradually privatizing the seniors' program of subsidized health care. In the same way many Republicans advocate government-backed "vouchers" to allow parents to enroll their kids in private schools, and minimize the need for state-managed ones, Ryan advocates giving seniors insurance vouchers so they can purchase medical coverage from the private sector, rather than a government-run insurer.

It's a divisive and controversial strategy to be sure, but the degree to which it's at least "a plan," as opposed to just a collection of talking-points, goes a long way to explaining why initial reaction, even among those who are not ordinarily GOP-backers, was so commendatory. As the days have passed, however, the tide seems to be turning a bit. Though the Ryan plan was indeed brave for its bluntness, it was also remarkably uncourageous in its deference to traditional conservative sensibilities and sacred cows. Bush-era levels of defense spending — ones that exceed even the spending seen during the Cold War — remain protected, as are Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy. Corporate tax levels are likewise promised to be slashed down to 25%, a level that would swap America's current status as the second-highest corporate tax region of the G7 to the lowest.

President Obama has already declared these conventionalities as evidence that the GOP is more the same than ever, and, in a speech last week, declared in some of his most robust language yet, that the era of compromise on the fundamental role of government was basically over. We need high taxes on the wealthy and big business in order to pay for the safety-net services government must provide, he said, using rhetoric that was clearly a gear-up to his 2012 re-election campaign. The Prez conceded that while some spending cuts will always be needed here and there, the idea of privatizing or abolishing the last remaining chunks of the post-war welfare state was a bridge too far, if not downright anti-American.

As Ryan was with conservatives, Obama's latest non-compromising stance has been praised by liberals for its courage. But it's just as conventional and safe. It's clear that neither party is interested in comprehensive solutions to America's fiscal mess, only plans that are half-solution, half voodoo magic. Raising taxes and cutting entitlement spending is a supremely obvious fix to any sort of fiscal imbalance, yet it's also a plan that lacks an ideological, partisan tradition to defend it. If anything, it would require the backing of some sort of political leader who had a combination of both left and right wing ideas, and as we all know, such a creature is as implausible as a unicorn.


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They are going to do it - triage Mom and Dad in the hospital. They are going to ask some Doctor to kill Mom for them so they can afford a new car. Pure political genius I tell you.


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Right now around 50% of the budget is borrowed. We simply cannot keep this up. Myself, I don't see Ryan's proposed $100 billion in cuts as anywhere near enough. We need to stop deficit spending PERIOD and that means near to $1 trillion in cuts. After that we need to pay down the debt so we're not giving $600 billion a year to the f*cking banks in interest payments. If we can stop paying out interest then that's $600 billion a year we can use for all of those programs people are worried about.

We either bite the bullet and make the hard choices now or we will eventually see Zimbabwe style inflation as people realize that the US dollar isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

As it is the various states are no longer believing the bullsh*t coming out of DC and Wall Street that 'everything will be fine' because the bastards refuse to fix the problems! And the biggest problem is deficit spending and a debt that will be upwards of $20 TRILLION by 2016. Gold and silver will end replacing the dollar in a lot of states (Utah is first with Indiana right behind) and then what happens to the dollar and the debt? Will the c0cks*cking bankers keep accepting the dollar they inflated out of existence as payment for the debt they encouraged or do you think those f&*kers will start demanding gold and silver, too?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:23 am
 


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It's clear that neither party is interested in comprehensive solutions to America's fiscal mess, only plans that are half-solution, half voodoo magic.


very true.


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Voters deficit-worried but wary of cuts
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In the poll, eight in 10 respondents say they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the national debt, but more than 60 percent — including key swing-voter groups — are concerned that major cuts from Congress could impact their lives and their families. What’s more, while Americans find some budget cuts acceptable, they are adamantly opposed to cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and K-12 education.
And although a combined 22 percent of poll-takers name the deficit/government spending as the top issue the federal government should address, 37 percent believe job creation/economic growth is the No. 1 issue.
Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, says these results are a “cautionary sign” for a Republican Party pursuing deep budget cuts.
He points out that the Americans who are most concerned about spending cuts are core Republicans and Tea Party supporters, not independents and swing voters.


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The survey — which was conducted Feb. 24-28 of 1,000 adults (200 reached by cell phone), and which has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points — also listed 26 different ways to reduce the federal budget deficit.
The most popular: placing a surtax on federal income taxes for those who make more than $1 million per year (81 percent said that was acceptable), eliminating spending on earmarks (78 percent), eliminating funding for weapons systems the Defense Department says aren’t necessary (76 percent) and eliminating tax credits for the oil and gas industries (74 percent).

The least popular: cutting funding for Medicaid, the federal government health-care program for the poor (32 percent said that was acceptable); cutting funding for Medicare, the federal government health-care program for seniors (23 percent); cutting funding for K-12 education (22 percent); and cutting funding for Social Security (22 percent).
Those numbers, GOP pollster McInturff says, “serve as a huge flashing yellow sign to Republicans … if they are going to start to talk about changes to Medicare and Social Security.”


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On Wisconsin and state battles
Turning to the budget battles taking place in the states, strong majorities say they are comfortable with states requiring their employees to pay more for their retirement and health care to balance budget deficits. But they oppose stripping public employees' collective-bargaining rights, as Republican Gov. Scott Walker is proposing in Wisconsin.


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I really think the democrats in this one should be holding a blanket. They're spending their collective energy on this one pretending that either there is no problem or it will get fixed if we just tax the rich enough.

Not saying Republicans are accomplishing anything substantive yet but at least they acknowledge that the feds have a spending problem.


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andyt wrote:
cnn poll american opinion derp


Thanks for stating the obvious, andyt: people want a responsible government but don't want to make personal sacrifice for it *and* don't want reform in the very programs that are causing the problem.

There have to be cuts, painful cuts, if we are going to get ahead of the problem. People can't just bury their heads in the sand and they must face reality. Welfare is unsustainable as it stands.


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The deficit is roughly a trillion dollars a year lately. What happens if we increase taxes to pay for a quarter of that, cut defence spending to cover a quarter, and cut non-defence spending to cover the rest? Half of that is stuff Democrats are advocating and half is stuff Republicans are advocating. All of it should move towards a balanced budget and a manageable national debt.

Let Democrats decide who to tax for $250 billion (roughly the same as raising the tax rate from 35% to 44% for the richest 5% of Americans) and what defence spending (out of about $1.2 trillion total) to cut by $250 billion. Let Republicans decide which non-defence programs (out of about $2.1 trillion) to cut $500 billion from. Then let them discuss, debate, argue, compromise, and inevitably sell out within the binding confines of that 2:1:1 ratio.

If anyone actually cared about reducing the deficit, that's how to do it.


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andyt wrote:
cnn poll american opinion derp


Thanks for stating the obvious, andyt: people want a responsible government but don't want to make personal sacrifice for it *and* don't want reform in the very programs that are causing the problem.

There have to be cuts, painful cuts, tax increases for the wealthy, instead of grinding it out on seniors and the poor, if we are going to get ahead of the problem. People can't just bury their heads in the sand and they must face reality. Welfare is unsustainable as it stands.


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I think the Republicans miss an opportunity when they neglect the issue of taxes. Streamlining the tax code through the elimination of certain deductions would be a nice low-level compromise while we're going through this debate. I believe a number of conservatives could get behind that notion.

And as much as I would like to be able to eliminate the deficit all at once and starting working on the debt, I get worried that if we try to tackle it all at once, we will get something akin to the 2000+ page piles of crap that the last two years have been excreting.


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I always enjoyed P.J. O'Rourke's idea of cutting 10% off of everything except the military. Of course, this was back during the Clinton years when he wrote about it in "Parliament of Whores". I'd at least enjoy seeing SOME major spending cuts before they attempt a tax hike.


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I don't think we should exempt the military either. There is certainly some waste and inefficiencies there as well. That's another compromise I'm willing to make.


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Psudo wrote:
Let Democrats decide who to tax for $250 billion (roughly the same as raising the tax rate from 35% to 44% for the richest 5% of Americans) and what defence spending (out of about $1.2 trillion total) to cut by $250 billion. Let Republicans decide which non-defence programs (out of about $2.1 trillion) to cut $500 billion from. Then let them discuss, debate, argue, compromise, and inevitably sell out within the binding confines of that 2:1:1 ratio.

That's one of the better ideas I've seen to fix this. Clear, concise, with significant comprises required by both sides.

In other words, it'll never happen.


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Psudo wrote:
The deficit is roughly a trillion dollars a year lately. What happens if we increase taxes to pay for a quarter of that, cut defence spending to cover a quarter, and cut non-defence spending to cover the rest? Half of that is stuff Democrats are advocating and half is stuff Republicans are advocating. All of it should move towards a balanced budget and a manageable national debt.

Let Democrats decide who to tax for $250 billion (roughly the same as raising the tax rate from 35% to 44% for the richest 5% of Americans) and what defence spending (out of about $1.2 trillion total) to cut by $250 billion. Let Republicans decide which non-defence programs (out of about $2.1 trillion) to cut $500 billion from. Then let them discuss, debate, argue, compromise, and inevitably sell out within the binding confines of that 2:1:1 ratio.

If anyone actually cared about reducing the deficit, that's how to do it.


PSUDO FOR PRESIDENT!

Seriously, get elected somewhere. I guarantee I'll be driving cross country to support your campaign.


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The 800 lbs. gorilla in the room that no one's acknowledging really has nothing to do with debt or deficit. It really doesn't even have much to do with the irresponsible stampede of tax cutting that the GOP'ers have engaged in since the Reagan era. It's the fact that over the last ten years millions of good paying American jobs, both union and non-union alike, were permanently eliminated or sent overseas to the cheapest bidders. If this hadn't happened the federal revenue base wouldn't have been so catastrophically weakened to the point that it can no longer sustain the level of program spending that most American citizens are apparently accustomed to. These aren't even Cadillac programs. They're mostly at Chevy-levels of cost and sustainability. By smashing the revenue base so badly though it's resulted in a situation where they can't even keep up the payments on a used Lada.

This will not change until America realizes that there has to be something in-between upper ranks executive positions and bottom level dirt jobs that the poorest get stuck with. Simply put those jobs have to come back. America has to re-invent itself as a manufacturing economy again and jettison this delusion that they can function with a mix of a few high-paying professional positions and a host of low-paying service economy jobs.

Rebuild the American middle class, instead of trying to exterminate it as they've been trying to do for the last three decades, and the debt/deficit problem might actually be solved one day. Keep pretending that the revenue base that the middle class provided can be so cavalierly eliminated without any negative consequences occurring from such a foolish decision, and things will continue to get worse. And there's not much worse out there than getting rid of a balanced and healthy social/economic arrangement built around the middle class and replacing it with a new unanswerable, and thoroughly irresponsible, nobility that dictates everything to the growing legions of the poor. It's stupid and Americans should have known a hell of a lot better before they did this to themselves.


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