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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:57 am
 


You know I really miss the days when you could be a conservative that cared about fiscal responsibility, smaller less beaucratic government, free market and low unemployment as priorites.

Nowadays if you are running on any of those platforms you also have to be pro-life, anti-gay rights and Pro Israel or your "unelectable".

Here in Canada we are a little lucky in that Harper knows to mess with either the abortion or gay platforms would get him thrown out in a hurry and wouldn't hold up in court but the man runs one of the largest cabinets that I have ever seen in my lifetime.

He also runs what I think is the largest wastes of time in our country in the senate despite running on a platform to abolish this massive bureaucratic and expensive waste of taxpayer money.

So yes I think the definition of "conservative" has changed.

Sadly the one party now that upholds the most of my views is the NDP and I find myself in vast disagreement with them on a lot of things. Shameful.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:30 am
 


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I doubt all the people being called up by the House Committee on Un-American Activities were really Commies...


They were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am ... ona_papers


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:24 am
 


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"Racist" is one of those labels that is losing its impact due to overuse and improper use.

In my experience in recent years the term is become a perjorative used by liberals against conservatives when they can't formulate a cogent argument against whatever the conservative has to say.


Just because some people use it as a perjorative does not mean racists no longer exist.

A recent posting by a family singing, "Hey Jew" (to the music of Hey Jude by the Beatles) on Youtube is proof that they still exist.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:24 am
 


BartSimpson wrote:
Mr_Canada wrote:
I doubt all the people being called up by the House Committee on Un-American Activities were really Commies...


They were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am ... ona_papers

Lmfao jesus f'n christ, I didn't say none were. Of course they found some.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:33 am
 


Maybe someone missed the word all in the previous statement?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:05 am
 


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You know I really miss the days when you could be a conservative that cared about fiscal responsibility, smaller less beaucratic government, free market and low unemployment as priorites.

Nowadays if you are running on any of those platforms you also have to be pro-life, anti-gay rights and Pro Israel or your "unelectable".

Agreed -- they seem to be mixing and matching "fiscal conservative" (ie. small gov't, balanced budgets, etc.) and "social conversatism" (people who do things that aren't what I do are immoral). I'd like governments to be run fiscally conservative in that they should be something like a non-profit -- try not to overspend or overtax. Obviously, in troubled economic times (like now), the tax base decreases and the government will spend more than it takes in. Hopefully, this can be balanced by the good economic times, so the overall debt sine waves around 0. This is apparently quite hard to do in practice. Otherwise, let people do what they want socially -- laws should protect one's life, liberty and property. Transactions between consenting adults should not be regulated.

As JJ alluded to, there's something less absolute and more relative about the terms nowadays -- to the staunch Christian-right conservative, anyone considering legalizing gay marriage is "liberal", and thus gets tarred with all the other affliations that term brings (ie. big government, tax and spend, etc.). Which is sort of odd, since I would consider social conservatives that want less social liberality to be proponents *of* big government, in that they want laws to restrict certain behaviours. Some people who are self-label themselves "conservative" aren't really, and are less so (in the traditional sense) than others they call "liberal". It's all rather confusing.

Maybe we need to throw out all the terms currently in use, and then define new ones to describe precisely what we mean. Let's see if that gains any traction. :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:13 pm
 


One of the most important labels in American politics today has to do with faith, who supposedly has it, and what it implies.

Americans are notoriously spiritual people, even when they have "lapsed" in their religious obligations. Due to its cultural ubiquity, American notions of morality are still tied in large part to the Bible. There is a marked tendency for Americans to presume that persons without faith are somehow lacking in the humility that they believe is an important trait when assuming the huge responsibilities of public office. Indeed, there is a marked tendency to believe that people who appeal to alternative moral standards -- say, Thoreau's popular maxim that society should prohibit a man from doing only that which materially harms his neighbor -- are actually also claiming to have special knowledge or intelligence.

The idea that one needs faith to remain aware of fallibility is ridiculous on the face of it, not least because so many people of faith claim that their preferences can and should be forced on others.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:28 pm
 


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Nice post -- the rep. system won't let me give you more points -- I would if I could.

The whole spirituality of the American people is something I find a bit disturbing -- I have nothing against religion per se, but it's the *implication* that I'm somehow *immoral* because I don't ascribe to any particular faith is something I find distasteful.

I guess I'm something of a agnostic/deist if anything. The *message* of the New Testament is beautiful -- why does it matter if I believe (or not) that Christ was divine?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:00 am
 


I'm an atheist, and I find the seeming requirement to be over-the-top faithful to hold high political office disturbing because people tend to use it to excuse themselves of their own actions. I'd much rather our next President have to think carefully about what he does because he believes that it's up to us, this life is all we've got, and therefore don't mess it up, than cheerfully throw resources around and press the big red button because God told him to. It's like a get-out-of-difficult-decision-making-free card, and I don't like that.

Of course, being a writer, I just enjoy a good story with interesting characterization whether I actually believe in it or not, which is why I like Jesus Christ: Superstar.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:00 am
 


On the topic of this conservative administration and their spending you might find this article interesting.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2 ... ml?cmp=rss


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:28 pm
 


Mr_Canada wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Mr_Canada wrote:
I doubt all the people being called up by the House Committee on Un-American Activities were really Commies...


They were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am ... ona_papers

Lmfao jesus f'n christ, I didn't say none were. Of course they found some.


Feel free to name at least one person who was subpoenaed before the House committee or the Senate version who was not either a Communist or a Communist sympathizer.


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