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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:40 am
 


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First off, there aren't any research bans to lift; the only thing he's planning on lifting is a ban on federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, and frankly, with the adult stem-cell work going on now, that's firmly in the OBE catagory.
Good point, but what is "OBE"?

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So, what is Obama's adgenda?
You're right that we won't know till it happens. Just like with sports, it's "why you play the game." You never know what will surprise you, what won't go as expected. I don't think anyone expected 9/11, for instance (don't even start, conspiracy nutjobs). The reason Obama's agenda (PDF) was taken down was because it alarmed a lot of people and showed his hand before he'd even been sworn in. He laid out his game plan before the election, but nobody was paying attention. They just wanted to hear him whisper sweet nothings in their ear. Lord knows the media wasn't going to be caught reporting on it. So for the first time people are actually taking a slightly more sober look at it, and it's giving too much heads-up to an existing administration who might try to make it more difficult.

Aside the more well-known stances, some of the more alarming party-line goals include furthering the vendetta against the Second Amendment. This is despite even recent study by Harvard Law (PDF)--not exactly a bastion of conservative or libertarian thought--that conclude that despite what I'm sure are good intentions, Obama's freedom-restricting objectives that remove a law-abiding citizen's Constitutionally guaranteed ability to defend themselves actually increase gun crime and in the best-case scenario do nothing to stop it.

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CONCLUSION
This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

I believe there was another study that went even further, stating that even in cities and communities within the US, more gun ownership corresponded with lower violent crime rates in that area.


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Now, maybe the country I had stolen from me by the past administration, will be given back to all of us.

Lee Hower
Sacramento, California

It amazes me that there are still people like you who spout that same old retarded bullshit. You lost. Get over it. You'd think you'd be able to MoveOn with the Obama presidency. I guess more moderate people underestimate the true depth of bitterness and hate felt by the True Believers.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:30 pm
 


I think people talking about the existence of a filibuster-proof majority seem to forget that the United States is not Canada, and that our legislators are significantly more independent. While I see some worrying examples to the contrary here and there (while I absolutely strongly disagree with his Republican tendencies, I disagree with the Democratic caucus trying to punish Joe Lieberman as some sort of traitor as though this were Canada, for example,) as a whole, our legislators usually have free will. This is magnified to no end when something as big a deal as a filibuster comes up, which is always decided on a case-by-case basis and almost never on party lines.

Just ask yourself this: if Democrats had the magic 60 number, would Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) really support cloture on some sort of radical draconian gun control legislation that a Republican tried to filibuster, as a hypothetical example? Remember, he's from Montana.


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OBE: Overtaken By Events. It means that the debate doesn't matter anymore.

With adult stem-cells solving several major practical problems, including the perennial tissue rejection problem, researchers just aren't very interested in embryonic stem-cells anymore.


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When I visit my aunt in Butte, Montana I tend to hear a lot of gun control advocacy. I don't think Montana is inherently the 2nd Amendment State. That'd probably be West Virginia or Oklahoma.

Also on the gun control issue, there have been a few small towns that have passed laws requiring gun ownership as a political statement against gun control laws. Virgin, Utah (population: 400) is the example I know best; it's very near to my hometown. Their specific law required all males over the age of 18 to own a gun or pay a one-time fee to the city. Whaddaya know, the Wayback Machine has a news clipping about it.


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