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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:48 pm
 


<strong>Filibuster Cartoon</strong>
<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20070422" target="_blank">Kyoto Kaos</a> (click to view)
<strong>Date: </strong> April 22, 2007

This cartoon looks a lot like one the National Post ran the other day. But I started drawing it long before I saw that one, I swear! <br> <br>Anyway, the Minister of the Environment, John Baird has recently gone public saying that there is no way Canada can meet the terms of the Kyoto treaty without incurring a massive economic downturn. Which, in turn, has prompted crazed enviro-activist and noted Great Canadian David Suzuki to declare that Canada will face economic ruin if we DON\'T following Kyoto. So basically it looks like Canada is doomed.


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Well ya know you have to really pity Suzuki.

He and his buddy Strong labouriously laid out all the ground work for this swindle. They have used up much personal capital and our real capital.....they have harnessed the media into the biggest one-sided public relations campaign in history. They harnessed the UN to create the IPCC and KYOTO and despite largely successfully muting/muzzling the sceptics are now watching their perfect plot wither and die.

The E U is failing miserably in reaching their targets and now doing nothing.
Canada is matching the EU.
Japan is matching the EU.
The US has said unanimouly "**ck-off" to KYOTO.
Russia signed on because all it had to do was sell CC's.
India/China are not affected by KYOTO and in the meantime have become the world's biggest broad spectrum polluters....
The "developing countries" are busy razing their forests to grow the makings of enviro-fuels....

Meanwhile Gore gets booed and heckled out of Concordia and laughed off the hill in Washington.

The BBC produces "The Great Global Warming Swindle".
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:48 pm
 


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Well ya know you have to really pity Suzuki.

He and his buddy Strong labouriously laid out all the ground work for this swindle. They have used up much personal capital and our real capital.....they have harnessed the media into the biggest one-sided public relations campaign in history. They harnessed the UN to create the IPCC and KYOTO and despite largely successfully muting/muzzling the sceptics are now watching their perfect plot wither and die.

The E U is failing miserably in reaching their targets and now doing nothing.
Canada is matching the EU.
Japan is matching the EU.
The US has said unanimouly "**ck-off" to KYOTO.
Russia signed on because all it had to do was sell CC's.
India/China are not affected by KYOTO and in the meantime have become the world's biggest broad spectrum polluters....
The "developing countries" are busy razing their forests to grow the makings of enviro-fuels....

Meanwhile Gore gets booed and heckled out of Concordia and laughed off the hill in Washington.

The BBC produces "The Great Global Warming Swindle".
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Are you suggesting that David has lied?


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Are you suggesting that David has lied?


You figure it out.

The climate warmed dramatically to melt the Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, all on it's own-some.....unless you figure the breaking technology then precipitated it.......bows-and -arrows.


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Are you suggesting that David has lied?


You figure it out.

The climate warmed dramatically to melt the Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, all on it's own-some.....unless you figure the breaking technology then precipitated it.......bows-and -arrows.


Well. Some ten thousand years ago or more the world was considerably different especially as there was an Ice Age and believe it or not today the earth is not in an Ice Age. When was the last time both polar caps melted?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:45 pm
 


There are two "Kyoto Kaos" threads.

And sasquatch2 makes a particularly weak case for a particularly good position.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:36 am
 


To be honest, I had a hard time even figuring out what his case was due to all the random emphasis impacting its readability.


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Haha, I just ignored the emphasis entirely.


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Even re-reading it enough times to get over the emphasis, I'm having trouble figuring out what the basic point was. Using some detective work, I see the line "(Suzuki) and his buddy Strong labouriously laid out all the ground work for this swindle." Suzuki is a noted environmentalist, so describing a position he and his friend took as a "swindle" means that sasquatch2 must be in opposition..?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:55 am
 


DAVID sUZUKI IS A ZOOLOGIST AND A BROADCASTER.

AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENT---SUZUKI IS A LAYMAN.

CREDITING SUZUKI WITH EXPERTISE ON THE ENVIRONMENT IS LIKE CREDITING MY OPTOMOTRIST WITH EXPERTISE IN JET ENGINES.
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I WOULD THINK THAT PERHAPS SOMEONE WITH A PH.D IN ZOOLOGY HAS AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS THAN THE LEVEL OF COMPLETE LAYMAN, THOUGH PERHAPS I AM MISTAKEN?


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KYOTO FOR DUMMIES

Oh oops. I guess I should tell you what it's about, because the general tendency in message board threads on this subject is not to click the links.

As I understand it the Canadian environment minister is suggesting restructuring the nation's economic engine to meet the demands of something called the Kyoto accord might be expensive.

I say "something called" the Kyoto accord, because I notice that although the media loves to issue forth the name "Kyoto", they're kind of shy about telling you what it actually is, and what it requires. I had to visit Google to find out. I'd give you links, but again, who'd click em, so I'll try to tell you what I can remember.

It's this accord signed by different nations to agree to bring down emissions of something called CO2. I say "something called" CO2, because there seems to be some confusion about what exactly CO2 is. I'll clarify that for you. It's not that black smoke pollution you see. People seem to think it is, but it's not. It's this odorless, colorless, gas commercial plant growers pump into their greenhouses to help their plants grow.

Back to Kyoto though... We Canadians sent some ecology activists over there to meet with some savvy business negotiators from other countries, and apparently they all agreed this CO2 stuff was pretty terrible for some reason, and countries like Canada were pretty much responsible, so they had to pay to get rid of it.

Our green guys signed this Kyoto agreement with the business negotiators from places like China and India. China and India pay nothing. Now don't get confused here. I know China and India are the countries where you see all those pictures of the thick black smoke pollution. Again our green guys don't seem so much worried about that. It's the devil, demon gas C02 they want to get rid of. Yes CO2 is a natural gas which helps plants grow, but don't get confused by that either. It's also trapping all the heat in the planet's stratosphere, and melting the ice bergs where the polar bears like to play and frolic. This is bad. We know this is all true, because our green guys tell us so. Not just our green guys either. Even the American green guy Al Gore told us this. Remember him? He created the internet. We know that's true, because he told us so.

Back to Kyoto though. If you're Chinese, or Indian you don't have to pay anybody anything. The same is true of Brazil. Remember Brazil? That's that country where the greater chunk of the world's rain forest exists. Interesting little sidebar about rain forests - the fun thing about rain forests is they eat up CO2 and turn it into Oxygen (that's this other gas you might have heard of. It's what you breath).

OK so rain forests were eating up C02. In Brazil they were chopping the rain forest down.

Brazil had some good negotiators at Kyoto too. Brazil also pays nothing as a result of Kyoto. In fact here's the great thing about Kyoto if you happen to live in Brazil. You can chop down more rain forest (which eat up C02) faster, then grow crops to make into this stuff called ethanol. If you do that Kyoto will give you these things called credits. You can then turn around and sell those credits to countries like Canada.

Why Canada? Because our green ecology guys signed a deal with their business negotiator guys agreeing this CO2 stuff is all our fault, and the CO2 is melting all our ice bergs, and drowning all our polar bears. We don't want that.

OK so we're going to buy all these credits from countries like Brazil (which cut down rain forests, which eat up CO2). This apparently is going to somehow destroy CO2, and save our polar bears. This might seem expensive. Where is this money coming from. I don't know exactly. The people who are supposed to tell you such stuff are encouraged not to. Apparently if they do tell you stuff like that they are indulging in what's called "media spin". Media spin is this term used to describe saying anything negative about Kyoto. The media doesn't like it when you use "media spin", or say negative stuff about Kyoto. They'll make you look real silly if you do.

I found some other interesting stuff about Kyoto (which I'd link you to, but you wouldn't click on), from people who don't mind looking silly. They'll give you "media spin", or saying negative stuff about Kyoto. Remember China and India? They pretty much continue doing what they do after Kyoto. Developing their industry. Canada however needs to stop doing so much of that. Kyoto tells us so.

OK so speaking of "media spin", or saying negative stuff about Kyoto, here's what it's all about. Here's what the Canadian environment minister said Kyoto might cost us.


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# Gasoline will cost more than $1.60 a litre over the 2008-to-2012 period

# 275,000 Canadians working today will lose their jobs by 2009

# Job loss will cause unemployment rates to rise 25 per cent by 2009




Remember though this is what's called "media spin". We know that's true, because the media told us so. They don't like people who say negative stuff about Kyoto. They will call them media spinners.


Global Warming ?? What's that ?? There is a claim by some that our poor polar bears are going to perish because there is no ice to run around on. These claims are often made by people who have only traveled north as far as Wasaga Beach.

The residents of Nunavut however are telling the scientist they are full of $hit. Seems there is such an explosion in the bear population they are expecting to have a big hunt to get it under control.

Of course this info only comes from a bunch of dumb Eskimos,,,,what the hell would they know, they only live there

Finally I remember clearly in the late 70's hearing predictions about how with the then current use of oil we would be freezing in the dark by year 2000 because all the oil would be gone!!! DUH !!!

Well I cant write any more right now because I need to go and fill my van with gas that was produced from the non existent oil.

Bottom line is we may be able to do something about the poison we create that is effecting our health but the rest of this "Science" is just B.S. created by those who want to make big $$$$$$$$ out of a non existent crisis. Of course this has never happened before EHHHH ? Oops,,,, I forgot Y2K !!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:19 am
 


This must be what it's like to discuss politics in an AOL chatroom.

And lest I be accused of ignoring your post...

sasquatch2 wrote:
I say "something called" the Kyoto accord, because I notice that although the media loves to issue forth the name "Kyoto", they're kind of shy about telling you what it actually is, and what it requires. I had to visit Google to find out. I'd give you links, but again, who'd click em, so I'll try to tell you what I can remember.


Au contraire, sources are always good, so it doesn't look like you either blatantly made up most of this or pulled it from some nut's GeoCities site.

Actually, nevermind, I am going to ignore the rest of that. You know why? Because you said things like this:

sasquatch2 wrote:
Even the American green guy Al Gore told us this. Remember him? He created the internet. We know that's true, because he told us so.


Come on. Seriously. That's like giving written blanket permission to singlehandedly dismiss everything you just said. I've actually seen a letter to the editor of some random Arkansas newspaper that blamed global warning on the extra hour per day of sunlight caused by Daylight Savings Time that managed to do a better job with the presentation than this. (Think I'm kidding? Behold. Granted, it's not much better, especially since they couldn't avoid the tried and true tactic of using "liberal" as a bad word, but it is technically better.)

I predict Psudo will jump in at some point and remind me that sasquatch2's particularly poor debate skills don't render the actual point he's trying to make any less valid, to which I would say that may techincally be true, but I still can't figure out exactly what point he's trying to make. Well, at least not beyond some sort of Kyoto = Bad thing.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:20 am
 


Actually the matter I continue to marvel at is the widespread MEDIA CONSENSUS.........

which promotes the mythical "scientific consensus".

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" a BBC documentary was accessable on Youtube...until somebody claimed copywrite.......good way to make it disappear.....

The "hockey stick" still lives.....despite data to the contrary....

variable climate

possible causes

warm good--cool bad
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:30 am
 


Scott A. Mandia wrote:
Note to general public:

My position on the current global warming is the same as the overwhelming majority of international climate scientists: the current rate of global warming is unprecedented and is being caused by humans. In no way should my summary of the research regarding climate change and the Viking civilization/Little Ice Age be used to "prove" the current global warming is due to a natural cycle. Human forcing (output of greenhouse gases) was just not as large a factor before the 1900s as natural forcing mechanisms. That would be like comparing the number of traffic fatalities today vs. a time when there were no cars!

I highly recommend that you read the information being presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at http://www.ipcc.ch/

It is true that there are natural climate change cycles but most of these are on the order of thousands of years to millions of years. The current global warming is not a natural cycle and is of utmost importance because modern-day humans live on time scales much smaller than the natural cycles. Therefore, mankind cannot just simply wait thousands of years for a natural cooling to occur.

It is my opinion that those who still proclaim that "the jury is still out" or that modern-day climate change is natural, are either ignorant about the scientific evidence or are politically motivated to ignore it.


Quoth the guy made the very same pages you just quoted. Whoops.

And just because I feel like being picky, Utube is an abbreviation for the Universal Tube & Rollform Equipment Corporation, a tubing and piping manufacturer who sued YouTube because accidental traffic to utube.com from people who wanted to watch YouTube videos caused a Slashdot-style flooding and breaking of their web server. And is :roll: your signature or something?


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