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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:00 am
 


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Title: One big happy EU family (click to view)
Date: October 26, 2011
As I mention in this week's podcast, I've been having a bit of a hard time wrapping my soft brain around the complexities of Europe's current fiscal woes. I mean, just look at this passage from yesterday's Financial Post:
EU leaders on Sunday outlined plans to recapitalize and improve funding for European banks, but failed to resolve how big a loss the private sector takes on Greek bonds and how to make best use of the EFSF eurozone rescue fund. Banks have offered to stretch the voluntary loss on Greek debt to 40% from July's agreement to take a 21% loss, but politicians are demanding the private sector agree to writedowns of at least 50%, a senior German banker said.

Gwa?

But this sort of minutia is not the real story. By now, most of us understand the broad shape of what's going on in the EU — which is to say, basically the same thing that's going on in the United States. Countries have more debt than they can afford to pay off, and it's preventing the world from getting out of this nasty recession. The grad school details that clutter up the papers are actually more a reflection on how little has been done to address this basic, fundamental crisis than proof that the crisis itself is getting more complicated. As anyone who's attended a meeting of this sort can attest, nothing will yield quite as much convoluted jargon and byzantine strategies than a group of well-meaning people struggling to come up with an airtight solution to a basically insolvable problem.

In Europe's case, the crux of their troubles remains the same as ever: Greece. Despite several bailouts, tax hikes, and spending cuts, Greece continues to be the basket case of the EU, with an over 100% debt-to-GDP ratio that is still nowhere near manageable. If countries were like people, Greece would probably be thinking very seriously about simply declaring bankruptcy and being done with it, but, alas, countries are not like people, and there's no real precedent for a whole nation defaulting. There's also no precedent for the other obvious solution: kicking Greece out of the Euro. If the country could return to its own currency, it could devalue its dollar to prompt foreign investment, or lower interest rates to put its banks in a more loan-happy mood, or peruse some other traditional monetary strategy for a nation desperate for economic growth. Instead, it looks like they'll just have to continue plodding along doing what they've already done, only moreso: cut spending, raise taxes, and ask other countries to cover the rest. But there's obviously certain rational — and political — limits to how far you can go with all three of these options, and Greece seems to be fast reaching them.

It's a bad time, then, for so many other mini-Greeces to be suddenly sprouting from the darkness. Italy, for example, also has a national debt comprising over 100% of its GDP, and is suffering from perennially low growth that has recently cast doubt on its ability to pay down its own creditors — let alone those of other nations. Spain, likewise, saw its credit rating downgraded, America-style, by Standard and Poor last week, with the agency citing concern over the country's banking woes, a state of affairs spawned by — you guessed it — an out-of-control national debt.

Paul Krugman recently referred to the Euro as the new gold standard, in the sense that like gold, the Euro is this magical, arbitrary thing of fixed worth that offers the countries bound to it very little monetary flexibility in times of crisis. It's clear that in the long term, only economic growth will save Europe, since only economic growth will create jobs and investment and all the other good stuff that helps generate revenue for the state and pushes citizens off the dole. Yet shackled to a shared currency, the troubled economies of the EU are finding their fiscal policy options depressingly limited, and the agonizingly slow pace of collective action, as personified by these endless Eurozone summits, councils, and meetings, the only dreary road to (possible) salvation.

For a currency that was devised, among other motives, to help unify a conflict-prone continent in a sprit of "we must all hang together" harmony, it's ironic that the Euro has now become such a tremendous source of bitter division between its member states. Relations between European leaders are acrimonious and tense, as everyone blames everyone else for Europe's woes while remaining chauvinistically indifferent to the unique national contexts in which such troubles arose, and from which solutions are trying to be devised. To the extent things have gone as well as they have, one can only credit the unusually generous German guilty conscience, but even that seems to be getting close to the breaking point.

Europe is in a straight jacket of its own making. Though the debt-induced woes of Greece et al were arguably unexpected, the slow, bumbling way the EU has proceeded to deal with the aftermath is very much ineptitude by design. The fiscal union of a continent in a spirit of peace and cooperation was certainly a noble sentiment, but perhaps we should put a bit more thought into logistics next time.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:16 am
 


Yes, it was very stupid to set up the Euro without being able to discipline countries
who misbehave.

I predict the EU will use this situation to start imposing a European tax regime in much of the EU.

When the Euro was created, no country would agree to any restrictions beyond fluff.


Now, they wont have any choice.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:35 am
 


You assume the minutia is not the real story because you don't understand the minutia or it's effects. I can't criticize because I'm in the same boat, but there does exist the possibility that some obscure detail we don't understand has more influence over outcomes than the parts we do understand. It's impossible to reason from that assumption, so we pretend it's false.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:29 am
 


There is one problem: during crysis few strong EU countries don't like nowaday situation, for example German is not satisfied, they say that it's difficult to economically pull weak countries.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:08 am
 


It is very difficult to economically pull weak countries, since there is no real solution. They will always fall back to what it is now, making it a bottomless pit.
Greece used to thrive on tourism, but since it became part of EU and (worse) the Euro, it stopped being a cheap holiday destination, due to EU taxing and regulation.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:36 am
 


I thought that Mexico defaulted on its debt back in the 80s, as did Argentina back in 2002, although I admit the scale of their default would probably pale in comparison to Greece.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:54 am
 


Italy is a far worse worry than Greece. 3rd largest economy in the Euro zone and in big shit, with a buffoon for a leader. When asked if Italy was serious about dealing with its problems, both Sarkozi and Merkel rolled their eyes and smiled.

Argentina defaulted, experienced great pain but in the end it wound up in much better shape. The US has defaulted before as well, tho long ago.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:37 pm
 


When did the US default, andyt? I don't know that story.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:20 pm
 


Psudo wrote:
When did the US default, andyt? I don't know that story.
Here's one example from 1935. This probably the most recent one unless one considers the ending of the Bretton Woods system in 1979 a default.

I only found this through googling. I hadn't heard of it before.


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