[Unsound]

The only issue I can really see with it is that some people may object to their data (prints retinas whatever), being scanned and stored on a gov't database.

[Tricks]

Wada wrote:

I have any number of friends that don't have drivers lisences. I must ask one or two what they do for identification.

Passport, LCBO card, Age of majority card, health card, security guard license etc. etc.


Security guard, I see some good ones.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Unsound wrote:

The only issue I can really see with it is that some people may object to their data (prints retinas whatever), being scanned and stored on a gov't database.

Well, they can be scanned or have their photo taken. If they don't want either, they can enjoy their lives in the 19th century

[Psudo]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

If it's a right like voting or accessing gov't services, a system could be put in place fairly easily to allow for some form of biometric identification. But hey, if you can't travel outside the country, or get a credit card, or even get a videostore membership because you don't want yer picture taken...tough shit.

I think the ability to leave the country should be a right (we're not a penal colony), but otherwise that's a reasonable distinction.

Unsound wrote:

The only issue I can really see with it is that some people may object to their data (prints retinas whatever), being scanned and stored on a gov't database.

So set a statistical probability standard and let people pick whatever from a menu of identification data so long as it combines to reach that standard. The privacy paranoid don't have to use biometrics, the Amish don't have to use photos, Jehovah's Witnesses don't have to use blood tests, but nobody can object to every form of identification.

[Brenda]

You can leave the country without a problem, without a passport or any identification. You just cannot enter another country without it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Psudo wrote:

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

If it's a right like voting or accessing gov't services, a system could be put in place fairly easily to allow for some form of biometric identification. But hey, if you can't travel outside the country, or get a credit card, or even get a videostore membership because you don't want yer picture taken...tough shit.

I think the ability to leave the country should be a right (we're not a penal colony), but otherwise that's a reasonable distinction.

It's not that you're a penal colony. Sure, you have the right to leave the US but, where ya gonna go? In order for that to work, other countries would have to pretty sporting by letting people in without any form of photo or biometric ID.

[Canadian_Mind]

Oh they have the right to leave the country, but every other country on the planet has the right to deny them access without proper identification.

[Unsound]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Oh they have the right to leave the country, but every other country on the planet has the right to deny them access without proper identification.

But by then they've left their own country, which now won't let them back in, for the same reason, and they end up living in an airport for the rest of their lives.

[Canadian_Mind]

Unsound wrote:

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Oh they have the right to leave the country, but every other country on the planet has the right to deny them access without proper identification.

But by then they've left their own country, which now won't let them back in, for the same reason, and they end up living in an airport for the rest of their lives.

Their idiocy.

[Psudo]

Brenda wrote:

You can leave the country without a problem, without a passport or any identification. You just cannot enter another country without it.

This is exactly what I said, as it is, and as it should be.

Unsound wrote:

But by then they've left their own country, which now won't let them back in, for the same reason, and they end up living in an airport for the rest of their lives.

In practice, that's not how it goes. Last time I tried to drive into Canada, my group was turned away by US customs to prevent that kind of deadlock. In the movie The Terminal, his legal standing to enter the USA was destroyed during the flight. In the incident that movie was based on, the man lived in that French airport because of a similar change of status en route. Countries are polite enough to each other and responsible enough to the public in general to watch out for each others' citizens.