[PluggyRug]

I have taught in two private schools, both required that we (the teachers) were evaluated by the students every month.

This brought out any problems the students were having with the teacher and/or the school, which enabled us to further the student experience for the betterment of the student.

I cannot comment on public schools as I have never taught in one.

[Tricks]

hurley_108 wrote:

As does mine that you know not of what you speak. You think hard work is all it takes. You think you put it in. I ask you this, do you get 100% in everything?

Do I get 100% in everything? No. And I bet only like .000000000001% of the population does.

[hurley_108]

Tricks wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

As does mine that you know not of what you speak. You think hard work is all it takes. You think you put it in. I ask you this, do you get 100% in everything?

Do I get 100% in everything? No. And I bet only like .000000000001% of the population does.

Exactly. Nobody gets 100, they get something less than that. How much less depends on a lot of factors. How hard you worked. How well you studied. Aptitude in the subject. How well your parents can help you. Even how hungry you are. Quality of instruction and difficulty of testing are also large factors.

[Tricks]

hurley_108 wrote:

Tricks wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

As does mine that you know not of what you speak. You think hard work is all it takes. You think you put it in. I ask you this, do you get 100% in everything?

Do I get 100% in everything? No. And I bet only like .000000000001% of the population does.

Exactly. Nobody gets 100, they get something less than that. How much less depends on a lot of factors. How hard you worked. How well you studied. Aptitude in the subject. How well your parents can help you. Even how hungry you are. Quality of instruction and difficulty of testing are also large factors.

Alright that I can agree with

(BTW my dad got 100 in highschool math )

[Psudo]

Update: The school voucher bill was voted on in a state-wide referendum today, along with various mayors and city councils across the state. So far, with about 90% of precincts reporting, it's about 60% to 40% against. I think it can safely be said that it was voted down, but here's the official word.

This is partially due, however, to the NEA's reported $350 million anti-voucher campaign in the state against a program only expected to cost about $9 million in it's first year.

[Murray_Smith]

Hooray for failing math!

[Psudo]

Do you mean the students will or the NEA did fail math?

[CanadianJeff]

Frankly it's wrong to fund or even allow any school based on a heavy religious aspect to opperate.

But the problem is now what. If you close the catholic schools you get backlash even if you reopen public schools in their places. You allow Muslim, jewish, buddist, etc schools and you get called on putting too much empisis on religion in education.

You leave things the way they are and you can never fix the problem of how unfair it is to allow one religion to get away with an advantage no one else has or you can claim that religion does not belong in educaiton.

Frankly your screwed 10 times over on this one no matter where you go.

[Psudo]

CanadianJeff wrote:

Frankly it's wrong to fund or even allow any school based on a heavy religious aspect to opperate.

Even if true, how does that pertain to Utah's school voucher plan?

What makes it a "heavy religious aspect" as opposed to an acceptable religious aspect? About half of Utah private schools are religiously funded or run, but I have no way of determining which you oppose under this ambiguous term.

And the Utah voucher program has (or "had") a requirement that the private school be one approved by the state. If there were a St. Brutal's School of Evolution Denial and Corporeal Punishment, unrealistic in curriculum and rightly denied state funding, there was a system to prevent it.

And my final complaint, who is suggesting any school be closed, Catholic or otherwise? What religion is allowed "to get away with an advantage no one else has"? I fail to see any way in which religious divisions are relevant to the issue at all.

(Pardon my impassioned reaction. I'm very upset that vouchers lost.)

[CanadianJeff]

Psudo wrote:

CanadianJeff wrote:

Frankly it's wrong to fund or even allow any school based on a heavy religious aspect to opperate.

Even if true, how does that pertain to Utah's school voucher plan?

What makes it a "heavy religious aspect" as opposed to an acceptable religious aspect? About half of Utah private schools are religiously funded or run, but I have no way of determining which you oppose under this ambiguous term.

Any school or institution that forces particapation in religous tradition or service. Any school that forces participation in religous "classes". That pretty much sums is up. Any school that forces a religous aspect into it's education.

psudo wrote:

And the Utah voucher program has (or "had") a requirement that the private school be one approved by the state. If there were a St. Brutal's School of Evolution Denial and Corporeal Punishment, unrealistic in curriculum and rightly denied state funding, there was a system to prevent it.

And it's a great system. There seems to be less controls in place in private schools so frankly any control put in place is a good thing. The public system at least from what I've seen tends to be more acountable to government.

Psudo wrote:

And my final complaint, who is suggesting any school be closed, Catholic or otherwise? What religion is allowed "to get away with an advantage no one else has"? I fail to see any way in which religious divisions are relevant to the issue at all.

Sorry I may be off target here I just hate to see any relgious instituation get funding. It really seems to me that Catholic people have a major advantage over other religons becuase they get so many schools when really no religion should be allowed in a school. I believe in keeping religion and schooling seperate. I don't belive in giving tax breaks to schools that don't follow keeping education on it's own two legs seperate from religion so people can find and form their own opinons. I went to a catholic school and by the end I really really felt that I was having religion shoved down my throat by force. I strongly opose anyone having to suffer that feeling. Nothing is as creepy as having to confess to a clergyman when you have made it clear you want nothing to do with the religion and are there to learn.

It took a while but ultimatly I did convince my parents to allow me to attend a public school where I was taught French instead of "Ethics" a skill that proved much much more usefull. I picked up my "Ethics" from my friends, family and church of my own choice where it belongs. That's all I've really got against private schools. They need to be held acountable to keep education seperate from religion in my opinion. Religion is a person's own private choice on their own time. I would not as a taxpayer want to pay to teach someone "Ethics" my child or anyone else's. That's the problem I have with these vouchers. I feel they do jus that.