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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:14 pm
 


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Title: Spoiled for choice (click to view)
Date: August 16, 2011
So, there's been a lot of developments in the GOP presidential primary as of late. I'll just run through the big headline-grabbing candidates of the moment and give you my spin.

Michelle Bachmann won Saturday's Ames county fair straw poll in Iowa, a highly ritualistic, largely meaningless bellwether that has repeatedly proven itself less trustworthy in identifying future presidents (and nominees!) than spastic zoo animals. Nevertheless, her win has helped solidify a narrative of the Congresswoman as the party's "rising star" that "exceeds expectations" and gives all the men in the race a scary run for their money. And to the extent the Iowan population itself represents anything coherent, it does (I guess) sort of indicate where the hearts and minds of a certain symbolic slice of conservative, rural America lies, and Bachmann is clearly hoping conservative, rural America will blaze her path to the nomination. So goodie for her.

Bachmann is often lazily compared to Sarah Palin, and in the initial days of her entry into the presidential race, many observers marveled at how articulate and intelligent she seemed, only because Mrs. Palin had set the bar for GOP women so exceedingly low. But her patronizing honeymoon of faint praise is over. Having proven herself capable of answering serious questions in a serious manner, the press has now called upon Bachmann to use her big articulate brain to clarify some of her past statements; comments that had previously been easy to dismiss as the mere rantings of an unknown, important crazyperson. And on this front, she has been less than impressive.

I very much enjoyed watching Bernie Goldberg on the O'Reilly show yesterday in which he, a conservative commentator, blasted Bachmann quite harshly for just being another "hack politician" who refused to give honest answers to honest questions. Asked to clarify her stated belief that wives should "submit" to their husbands, for instance, she weasley redefined "submit" to mean "respect," which is obviously a complete non-sequetor. Similarly, when asked to explain how, exactly, homosexuality equates "enslavement" (another prior comment) she tritely hand-waved the question away, saying she was not into passing judgement on anyone. As Goldberg very curtly observed, this kinda double-speak should cause anyone previously inclined to take Bachmann seriously — particularly her Tea Party base — to second-guess just how actually "authentic" and "principled" this supposed conservative wonderwoman really is.

Ron Paul came in second in the straw poll, and very nearly beat Bachmann herself. Had less than 200 votes gone the other way, the headlines would doubtlessly be very different right now. But the fact is they aren't, and in my view, this is a loss from which Ron Paul may never recover.

Paul's performance in the Republican debate last Thursday was nothing short of terrible. Already borderline Asperger's in his manner and speech, Paul seemed more rambly, less coherent, and screechier than usual on the big stage, babbling endlessly about all his usual pet causes rather than engage in any form of stay-on-topic self-discipline. I know that Paul's people like to believe that their candidate is only disliked by the Republican establishment because he "speaks truth to power" or whatever, but the fact remains that the man is, by any objective measurement, tremendously annoying and socially maladjusted.

Paul's challenge was to prove that his fringey, cliquey appeal was, in fact, broad enough to eke out substantial victories in important contests. Now, second place is never anything to sneeze at, and it isn't fair to dismiss the man entirely, as much of the mainstream media has done in the aftermath of Ames. But it's also hard to spend a great deal of time seriously analyzing someone whose political appeal has such an obvious celling.

Tim Pawlenty, who finished a distant third in the straw poll, dropped out the next day. To which I can only say, good riddance. It's not that I bear the man any particular ill-will, it's just it was hard to ever understand his campaign as anything other than a sort of weird, media-backed paper candidacy. Pawlenty was taken seriously largely because we were endlessly told by the TV and newspapers to taken him seriously, not because he had any readily-apparent merits to his own name or career.

As a Minnesota friend of mine once quipped, "what makes him more special than any other random cow-state governor?" Crass, perhaps, but still a question his pointless campaign utterly failed to answer.

Governor Rick Perry of Texas, however, is entirely another story. As governor of America's second-largest state, and one of the few that seems to have not only weathered the recession, but economically thrived during it, Perry is the sort of anti-Pawlenty. His late entry into the presidential race last week almost overshadowed Michelle Bachmann's victory (a fact she was understandably sore about) and has dramatically turned a lot of the conventional wisdom upside-down overnight.

Over the last couple of months, there has been a lot of spoiled whining within the GOP base as voters endlessly claim that there are "no good candidates." Unless we define "good" in an exceedingly narrow, ultra-picky way, it's hard to believe that of the currently declared, dozen-or-so candidates, there's not one man or woman in the mix worth supporting. But conservatives are in a perfectionist mood, it seems, and the media's been equally eager to abet this, routinely portraying the candidates as little more than walking bags of flaws with insincere faces stapled on.

With that in mind, Perry is a bit of a godsend. It's not that he is flawless — no politician ever is, and as the weeks progress all sorts of dirt will doubtlessly be dug up — but rather that he projects cookie-cutter conformity with the Platonic "Republican" ideal to such an extent that he sure seems to be, at first glance.

A conservative Democrat who turned Republican in the 1980s, Perry has won every election he's ever contested — 10 in all — with considerable ease. Consistently right-wing on all issues, both social and fiscal, he's championed small government, states' rights, low-spending, gun rights, opposition to abortion and gay marriage, low taxes, and a blurring of the line between church and state without any particular notable moments of waffling or hypocrisy. He's also a born-and-raised southerner with working-class roots and a non-Ivy League education, giving him a degree of proley authenticity that the Republican Party has been lacking in the aftermath of the blueblood Bush dynasty.

And talking of Bush, despite the fact that they both held the same job, George W. and Perry apparently don't get along very well, and never have. Perry first became governor in 2001 when Bush resigned to assume the presidency, but because the Texas lieutenant governor is separately-elected and has pseudo prime ministerial powers quite divorced from the executive branch, the two men were never close even on a professional level.

This is relevant only because the idea that Perry is too superficially Bush-like has been one of the few coherent criticisms of the man. The other swipes against him (most of which originate from the left) are even less cutting. Obviously, if you are ideologically opposed to right-wing, southern, Christian Republicans, you won't find much about the guy to like. But he's not running for your vote in the first place. What matters is the ability of his GOP opponents to form a convincing conservative anti-Perry critique, on par with the Romney-is-a-flip-flopper and Bachmann-is-too-nuts tropes we've come to know and love. And that's a task that's proving quite difficult.

In short, everything I've read about the Governor thusfar leads me to believe he is the man to watch for 2012. There may be better people already in the race, and there may be candidates far more deserving that have yet to enter, but in the present context, I feel the stars have really aligned in his favor.


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Over the last couple of months, there has been a lot of spoiled whining within the GOP base as voters endlessly claim that there are "no good candidates." Unless we define "good" in an exceedingly narrow, ultra-picky way, it's hard to believe that of the currently declared, dozen-or-so candidates, there's not one man or woman in the mix worth supporting. But conservatives are in a perfectionist mood, it seems, and the media's been equally eager to abet this, routinely portraying the candidates as little more than walking bags of flaws with insincere faces stapled on.

The problem is their tendency to focus like a laser on two or three candidates whose top-tier status is more or less taken for granted (Romney is the frontrunner because everyone says he is, moreso than because of any particularly brilliant job he's done with style or message) and everyone else is ignored. Even Paul's supporters are portrayed as living in a sort of fantasy where Paul isn't taken seriously because they are just keeping him down, man (which is really weird to hear coming from the right, honestly,) and he came this close to winning this admittedly completely meaningless straw poll. So yeah, if you hate Romney, Bachmann, and Perry (which I do,) then there totally are no good candidates this time around. (No good real candidates, at least.)

Personally, I still adore Johnson (and I'm a lefty! I already know I will vote for Obama the second anyone at all except Johnson cinches the nomination!) but your including him in the giant pile here is the only reminder I've seen from any platform at all in recent months that he still exists.

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Obviously, if you are ideologically opposed to right-wing, southern, Christian Republicans, you won't find much about [Perry] to like.

Yup, pretty much.

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In short, everything I've read about the Governor thusfar leads me to believe he is the man to watch for 2012. There may be better people already in the race, and there may be candidates far more deserving that have yet to enter, but in the present context, I feel the stars have really aligned in his favor.

Personally, I see him as too far right for a general election, like a less-crazy Bachmann. He'll either wash out when it comes to light that he's too far and hard right even for the primary (like a GOP counterpart to why neither Mike Gravel nor Dennis Kucinich got anywhere on the Democratic side in 2008) or the base will still be in angry-hornet mode enough to get behind that and give him the nomination by a solid margin, only for him to go down in flames in the general when Democrats and Independents see just how far out there the Tea Party has gone this time.

Or at least, I really really hope so.


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I don't think he's any more hard-right than George W. Bush was. In fact, despite my qualifications, he actually does seem quite Bush-like in terms of the actual positions he purports to hold, as opposed to his authenticity or record or whatever.

I think he'll get the nomination and lose, again, because he will have no strategy to expand the Republican base beyond the Bush coalition. That's an important concern, but something that doesn't trouble Republicans for some reason.


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It's too bad Paul doesn't really come across well in those public debates -- there was something just *unsettling* about his mannerisms (perhaps the borderline Asperger's JJ mentioned). I find a few of the ideas intriguing (not that I get a vote anyways), but then I like a lot of libertarian ideas anyways. Marijuana use -- why should the fed care? Why is that any worse than alcohol? Gay marriage: why shouldn't gays/lesbians be just as miserable as straight people? Besides, it's probably a state issue anyways.

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opposition to abortion and gay marriage, low taxes, and a blurring of the line between church and state without any particular notable moments of waffling or hypocrisy.

So he hasn't waffled about blurring the 1st amendment? How comforting. Hope this guy falls off the planet -- or failing that, wins the nomination and gets obliterated by Obama.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:09 pm
 


JJ, do you think Rick Perry and George W. Bush don't get along due to perceived differences in ideology, or just because they are two very competitive people in the same profession?


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That's a good question. I think the latter. And I think they come from vastly different backgrounds, and Perry seems very much like the kind of guy who would resent blueblood phonies like Dubya.


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I think my big problem with Perry is that he's just trying so hard to be a tough-talking Texan. Being far to the right is one thing, if you at least pretend your opponents are still human beings. I disagree with almost everything Mike Huckabee has ever said or ever will say, fore example, but I at least feel like I could discuss my disagreements with him in a respectful manner without getting the impression that he's fantasizing about summoning a lynch mob on me. By contrast, my image of Perry is basically in line with the Canadian image of Americans. He is brash, proud of his own controversy, arrogant in his eagerness to show us all how it's done where he comes from, and basically needs only to pick Joe Arpaio for a running mate and Ted Nugent for his campaign songs to complete the whole unfriendly package.

He might have a chance to seize the momentum if the infuriated Tea Party base doesn't like Bachmann's attempts to justify or backpedal her more outlandish claims instead of digging in and owning them, I guess, but I hate that immature angry cowboys are even a demographic and I pretty much automatically oppose anyone who tries to build his entire campaign around them.

If this [Ben Bernanke] guy prints more money between now and the election, I don't know what you would do with him. We would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas.
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Asked what the biggest difference [between himself and George W. Bush] is, Perry responded: "I went to Texas A&M. He went to Yale."

It's like he forgot that there are other states. Why does he even want the job, anyway? He's at his best when he's the President of Texas, making idle threats about seceding from the Union because Barack Obama still exists.

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President Perry would have to start wearing the American flag rather than the Texan one, and I'm not sure he would be comfortable with that.

Anyway, like I said, somehow I think (or at least seriously hope) his whole righteously indignant Texan act will fail to play nearly as well with voters outside of the GOP primary, and if other Democrats and Independents are half as turned off by his incendiary attitude as I am, he would have a fairly rough time picking up enough of them to get very far in the general election.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:59 am
 


If what I heard was accurate, Perry could be finished within a week. It seems that giving to his Campaigns is very Profitable.


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It doesn't really matter how many Candidates are running, only the top few will recieve any kind of coverage, and hence will be the only candidates most voters know anything about. These will be Bachmann, Romney, and Perry. Everyone else will be ignored.

Consider the 2008 Democratic nomination race. Did anyone other than Obama or Clinton recieve any kind of sustained coverage? I do remember my pick, Bill Richardson, explaining the disparity very bluntly to a moderator during a debate hosted by CNN. Of course, immediately after that debate, CNN hosted a debate just between Obama and Clinton.


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No matter who wins the Republican nomination you can count on the Democrats and a fair number of the posters on this site to call the person a bunch of names.

That said, I hope the ticket ends up being Palin-Bachmann just so the emergency rooms in Canada will fill to the brim with high blood pressure cases.


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BartSimpson wrote:
No matter who wins the Republican nomination you can count on the Democrats and a fair number of the posters on this site to call the person a bunch of names.

That said, I hope the ticket ends up being Palin-Bachmann just so the emergency rooms in Canada will fill to the brim with high blood pressure cases.

If those two team up..and win, yer gonna have a LOT more to concern yourself with than the state of Canada's emergency rooms :lol:


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I would love to see a raving right ticket win it in the US. What fun to watch. Laughter is good medicine and would lower our blood pressure. Just too bad we'd be following them down the drain.


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If (Palin & Bachmann) team up..and win, yer gonna have a LOT more to concern yourself with than the state of Canada's emergency rooms :lol:


Indeed. Canada's morgues will also be overflowing when people like Andy and Sandorski pop aneurysms! :lol:


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If (Palin & Bachmann) team up..and win, yer gonna have a LOT more to concern yourself with than the state of Canada's emergency rooms :lol:


Indeed. Canada's morgues will also be overflowing when people like Andy and Sandorski pop aneurysms! :lol:


At least I'll die chortling with glee. Now that would truly be Schadenfreude. Too bad, as I say, that Schaden would rub off on us.


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At least I'll die chortling with glee. Now that would truly be Schadenfreude. Too bad, as I say, that Schaden would rub off on us.

But you think such a ticket winning the general election would be unfortunate. I didn't think you were the type to find glee in the percieved misfortune of others.


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