J.J, I don't believe that Neville Chamberlain ever received the Nobel Peace Prize. I know you're a stickler for accuracy, so perhaps you could replace him in your toon with US Secretary of State Frank Kellogg, who won the award for the Kellogg-Briand Pact in 1929. Just a suggestion.
Also,
Alfred909 wrote:
I realize that maybe Sweden doesn't recognize the social workers of India who tirelessely work for Women's rights.
I do hate to seem like an insufferable know-it-all in my first post, but it is Norway that awards the Nobel Peace Prize. The Swedes award all the others.
BartSimpson
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:39 am
Zipperfish wrote:
I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.
What does his work have to do with advancing peace and ending violence anywhere in the world?
Sorry, Zip, the Peace Prize was not appropriate.
Also adding to the controversy is the speed with which the award was granted.
The Nobel Committees typically take decades to recognize people for their work in science.
This combines to devalue the award as being political and trendy and in conflict with precedents set by the Nobel Committee for how they process awards.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:32 am
macjake wrote:
J.J, I don't believe that Neville Chamberlain ever received the Nobel Peace Prize. I know you're a stickler for accuracy, so perhaps you could replace him in your toon with US Secretary of State Frank Kellogg, who won the award for the Kellogg-Briand Pact in 1929. Just a suggestion.
Also,
Alfred909 wrote:
I realize that maybe Sweden doesn't recognize the social workers of India who tirelessely work for Women's rights.
I do hate to seem like an insufferable know-it-all in my first post, but it is Norway that awards the Nobel Peace Prize. The Swedes award all the others.
It was actually Austin Chamberlain, who was given it for largely the same reasons.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:17 pm
BartSimpson wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.
What does his work have to do with advancing peace and ending violence anywhere in the world?
Sorry, Zip, the Peace Prize was not appropriate.
Also adding to the controversy is the speed with which the award was granted.
The Nobel Committees typically take decades to recognize people for their work in science.
This combines to devalue the award as being political and trendy and in conflict with precedents set by the Nobel Committee for how they process awards.
It's only a controversey for those that disagree with the award to Mr. Gore--that being, predominately, the political right. I'm sure if George Bush had have won, the position of most posters here would be reversed, mine included. However, it was given to Mr. Gore, and I can understand your frustration given your views on anthropogenic climate change, but I'm quite chuffed about the whole thing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:34 pm
Zipperfish wrote:
[ It's only a controversey for those that disagree with the award to Mr. Gore--that being, predominately, the political right. I'm sure if George Bush had have won, the position of most posters here would be reversed, mine included. However, it was given to Mr. Gore, and I can understand your frustration given your views on anthropogenic climate change, but I'm quite chuffed about the whole thing.
Not so...George Bush has done little for world peace, my stance would be the same.
Now put Al Gore where I put George Bush.....Gore is nothing more than an attention seeker, as are most politicians.
His claim to inventing the Internet is ludicrous.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:35 pm
Zipperfish wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.
What does his work have to do with advancing peace and ending violence anywhere in the world?
Sorry, Zip, the Peace Prize was not appropriate.
Also adding to the controversy is the speed with which the award was granted.
The Nobel Committees typically take decades to recognize people for their work in science.
This combines to devalue the award as being political and trendy and in conflict with precedents set by the Nobel Committee for how they process awards.
It's only a controversey for those that disagree with the award to Mr. Gore--that being, predominately, the political right. I'm sure if George Bush had have won, the position of most posters here would be reversed, mine included. However, it was given to Mr. Gore, and I can understand your frustration given your views on anthropogenic climate change, but I'm quite chuffed about the whole thing.
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'd be just as opposed to Bush getting as to Gore. Neither of them have done anything to contribute to peace.
PluggyRug
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:38 pm
BartSimpson wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Zipperfish wrote:
I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.
What does his work have to do with advancing peace and ending violence anywhere in the world?
Sorry, Zip, the Peace Prize was not appropriate.
Also adding to the controversy is the speed with which the award was granted.
The Nobel Committees typically take decades to recognize people for their work in science.
This combines to devalue the award as being political and trendy and in conflict with precedents set by the Nobel Committee for how they process awards.
It's only a controversey for those that disagree with the award to Mr. Gore--that being, predominately, the political right. I'm sure if George Bush had have won, the position of most posters here would be reversed, mine included. However, it was given to Mr. Gore, and I can understand your frustration given your views on anthropogenic climate change, but I'm quite chuffed about the whole thing.
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'd be just as opposed to Bush getting as to Gore. Neither of them have done anything to contribute to peace.
POP
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:51 pm
My apologies to Sweden and Norway for the mix up.
Zipperfish
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:57 pm
My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.
General Petraeus, to my understanding, was not one of the 181 nominees.
Irena Sendler, a Polish woman who saved the lives of over 2000 Jewish children from the Warsaw Ghetto during World War II, was.
Evidently, a sufficiency of the Nobel judges believed that her contributions to peace were not as important as Albert Gore's.
Scape wrote:
So what did Rush do for: "doing the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"?
About the same as Gore: zero.
Alfred909
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:53 pm
BartSimpson wrote:
Alfred909 wrote:
I realize that maybe Sweden doesn't recognize the social workers of India who tirelessely work for Women's rights.
Actually, they did. They gave a Nobel Prize to the fellow who runs the microbank that mostly benefits women in India.
That is true. But there is a lot of work to do there. And very few people take notice.
I myself am happy that So much Industrialization has been happening in India. Seeing people acknowledge there daughters is amazing.
The Industrialization comes down to a small group of people in India, but it is starting to create a needed change.
India does not have stupid people, they just need to face a lot of cultural problems they have been having.
However his claim to have "created" the Internet is still a leap.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:18 pm
Zipperfish wrote:
My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.
I repeat my question: what has Al Gore contributed to world peace?
BartSimpson
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:26 pm
Alfred909 wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Alfred909 wrote:
I realize that maybe Sweden doesn't recognize the social workers of India who tirelessely work for Women's rights.
Actually, they did. They gave a Nobel Prize to the fellow who runs the microbank that mostly benefits women in India.
That is true. But there is a lot of work to do there. And very few people take notice.
I myself am happy that So much Industrialization has been happening in India. Seeing people acknowledge there daughters is amazing. The Industrialization comes down to a small group of people in India, but it is starting to create a needed change.
India does not have stupid people, they just need to face a lot of cultural problems they have been having.
India has brilliant people. Unfortunately, India does not allow them to exercise their brilliance so their best & brightest end up emigrating in order to succeed.
The Indians are constrained by their culture. You take them out of their culture and they regularly become astoundingly successful people who make vast contributions to their new countries.