[Alfred909]

BartSimpson wrote:

Alfred909 wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Alfred909 wrote:

I realize that maybe Sweden doesn't recognize the social workers of India who tirelessely work for Women's rights.

Actually, they did. They gave a Nobel Prize to the fellow who runs the microbank that mostly benefits women in India.

That is true. But there is a lot of work to do there. And very few people take notice.

I myself am happy that So much Industrialization has been happening in India. Seeing people acknowledge there daughters is amazing.
The Industrialization comes down to a small group of people in India, but it is starting to create a needed change.

India does not have stupid people, they just need to face a lot of cultural problems they have been having.

India has brilliant people. Unfortunately, India does not allow them to exercise their brilliance so their best & brightest end up emigrating in order to succeed.

The Indians are constrained by their culture. You take them out of their culture and they regularly become astoundingly successful people who make vast contributions to their new countries.

I think that anybody wondering how intelligent India really is, should check out the University of India.

I agree, and sort of disagree. There are definite problems with the culture, that doesn't mean that all of it is bad. They have some wonderful kindness and giving attitudes. The steppe system is in the way, as are the way women are viewed. But that is changing, and some very brave people are helping with that.

[Tiler]

Personally, if I was Al Gore, I'd be insulted to be given the same 'honor' that had been granted to Arafat.

It's a shame when institutions like this get taken over by extremists of one shade or another that spend all day patting each other on the back.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson wrote:

Zipperfish wrote:

My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.

I repeat my question: what has Al Gore contributed to world peace?

To quote the Nobel Prize organization (here):

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Indications of changes in the earth's future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth's resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world's most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.

[Les-R]

BartSimpson wrote:

What does his work have to do with advancing peace and ending violence anywhere in the world?

Well, according to the doomsayers of doomy doom reguarding Global Warming, as the climate heats-up the overall amount of arable land will decrease, leading those countries without signifigant arable land to invade those countries that still do in order to control this diminishing natural resource..

...instead of.. you know.. Buying food from said countries.

[Les-R]

Zipperfish wrote:

My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.

Does the fact that the Nobel Peace Prize has had no signifigance outside a pack of self-deluding political activists who over-estimate their impact on global affairs since Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin both one it for promising to not encourage their citizens into brutally murdering each other quite as much as they had been before make that bubble wobble just a little bit?

[Scape]

BartSimpson wrote:

Zipperfish wrote:

My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.

I repeat my question: what has Al Gore contributed to world peace?

War is frequently over resources. The event of global warming would mean less to be had by ever growing populations and that inevitably leads to war. If food and water are adversely effected by the fever of global warming then it is Gore that has been at the forefront in the battle of awareness to strike at the root and not the branches of the problem. He is the person who has done the most to raise the profile of this issue the most on the world stage.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish wrote:

I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.

But does it qualify as a "Peace" prize? I think not. Maybe they should update the categories?

[fire_i]

(In the course of this post, I will assume global warming is already proven as true and indeed caused by humanity - it may or may not actually be the case, but I prefer warning already to avoid any backlash.)

It is true global warming can be considered a factor in peace across the Earth - it could even be a major one. The main reason why (war over ressources) has already been pointed out. In that sense, Gore did help further world peace by trying to prevent, or at least minimize, an event which could lead to many wars.

Still, picking him for the Nobel prize is more than questionable. Does he deserve some recognition? Of course. But a good word from the Academy would have been enough if they adamantly wanted to reward him in a way or another. Giving him the prestigious Nobel prize is exaggerated, for while we can't say he hasn't helped world peace, he's far from being the best candidate in the large list of nominees. Plus, there is a very noticeable shadow of doubt hanging around his victory... it does look like a big political action. On the other hand, refusing to award someone too involved in politics would probably be worst than taking the risk of handing out the prize anyway... very debatable, that's for sure.

[Scape]

So who of the 181 nominees should have taken the prise?

[Zipperfish]

Les-R wrote:

Zipperfish wrote:

My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.

Does the fact that the Nobel Peace Prize has had no signifigance outside a pack of self-deluding political activists who over-estimate their impact on global affairs since Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin both one it for promising to not encourage their citizens into brutally murdering each other quite as much as they had been before make that bubble wobble just a little bit?

Well, your sentence errs in the first four words: "Does the fact that...". In order to correct this sentence, you'd have to start wiht the following "Does my opinion that..." And my answer would be that, no, your opinion on the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize does not make that bubble wobble.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock wrote:

Zipperfish wrote:

I think that Mr. Gore and the IPCC have undertaken a huge humanitarian effort, in the face of scorn and ridicule, to bring the issue of climate change to people all over the world and clearly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's doing something good for the planet and good for our children, and our children's children.

But does it qualify as a "Peace" prize? I think not. Maybe they should update the categories?

Perhaps they should. It appears to have become somewhat more of a humanitarian award of late. I don't think the award for an environmental cause is unprecedented.

[JJ]

Scape wrote:

So who of the 181 nominees should have taken the prise?

We'll we're not the international commission charged with finding the world's greatest peacemaker. I naturally assume a more suitable winner would have been someone half the world doesn't already know.

I dunno, I think the entire prize might simply be an outdated relic of 19th Century thinking. The standard is too high; recipients cannot help but disappoint.

[Les-R]

Zipperfish wrote:

Les-R wrote:

Well, your sentence errs in the first four words: "Does the fact that...". In order to correct this sentence, you'd have to start wiht the following "Does my opinion that..." And my answer would be that, no, your opinion on the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize does not make that bubble wobble.

So, when Was the last time a Nobel Peace Prize winner had a signifigant impact on global politics? Specificy in convincing the many people desperate to kill each other to 'make nice plzkthx'?

[Les-R]

fire_i wrote:

(In the course of this post, I will assume global warming is already proven as true and indeed caused by humanity - it may or may not actually be the case, but I prefer warning already to avoid any backlash.)

It is true global warming can be considered a factor in peace across the Earth - it could even be a major one. The main reason why (war over ressources) has already been pointed out. In that sense, Gore did help further world peace by trying to prevent, or at least minimize, an event which could lead to many wars.

But what Has Gore contributed to preventing this? (assuming it is in fact preventable)

So far all I see are rich people throwing money at each other to assuge each-other's sins. (I.E. the whole 'Carbon-Credit' racket.)

[sasquatch2]

Zipperfish

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My bubble isn't burst. Al Gore and the IPCC won the Nobel Peace Prize. That bubble is going to last for weeks! This is one win that Florida can't take away.

Have fun with your bubble. Florida, Antarctica and Greenland may not take it away but the Nobel Committee will look even sillier when Florida doesn't flood and Antarctica and Greenland don't melt.

The British High Court has already so ruled......based upon expert testimony not political hacks and UN bureaucrats. Even relied on the IPCC's own press releases. The IPCC has run for cover lately what with Hansen and Mann exposed as frauds.

Just saw John Stewart and his Daily Show open the political offensive against Gore running for POTUS.
And you think I am.....??????
No mercy.