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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:58 pm
 


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Title: The political preferences of professions (click to view)
Date: January 9, 2012
The thing about Ann Coulter is that it's impossible to understand her mean-spirited flamboyance and rhetorical excesses unless you remember that she used to be a lawyer, where such skills are prized. The thing about Bill O'Reilly is that you won't really get his loud, bossy, strictness unless you remember he used to be a high school teacher. And the thing about Keith Olbermann is that his extreme overreactions to everything are the predictable outbursts of a former sports announcer.

I've long been interested in the idea that all politics is basically personal, and that the partisan ideology one eventually adopts is usually just a logical extension of some philosophy you already use elsewhere in life.

The most conventional example is the cliched "Christian conservative," whose identification with the Republican Party is but a mere outgrowth of his existing religious views on abortion, gay rights, school prayer, and so forth. As the party gets more religiously-influenced, in turn, it becomes increasingly common to see GOP politicians frame every partisan debate — even on issues that the Bible is conspicuously silent about, such as raising the debt ceiling — though a black-or-white, heaven-or-hell moral dichotomy, since that's the mental framework they're already most comfortable using in the pews or at the pulpit.

But there are other religions in this world, too. I've noticed that a vast number of libertarians and Ron Paulites tend to emerge from backgrounds in computer programming or math, for instance, presumably because their fascination for an elegant, cold, unemotionally organized, ultra-rationalistic Randian universe syncs up quite nicely with the sort of elegant, cold, unemotional coding and equations they spend their days toiling over. Many comedians lean libertarian as well, though in their case I think it's the attraction of an untested "third way" philosophy. When you reject the conventional left/right axis, you have an essentially guilt-free base to bash the dopiness of both sides of any debate while simultaneously consolidating a general "everyone's nuts except me" worldview.

Much has been written about the leftist tendencies of the young, and how so much of this is a byproduct of general youthful optimisn and naivete (or stupidity, if you read the right-wing perspective). My own experience, however, is that an enormous amount of student leftism is spawned simply by the sort of socially anxious groupthink that tends to govern so much of life between the ages 18 and 25. In our current political zeitgeist, at least, conservatism is frequently (and more than a little ironically) associated with being angry, argumentative, irritable, and disruptive, while liberalism is the ideology of the calm, dispassionate status quo. Especially in the context of academia, self-identifying as a member of the right is one of the easiest ways to earn a reputation as an eccentric trouble-maker, and who invites them to keggers?

From a personal perspective, the more time I spent drawing and writing about politics, the more I'm starting to understand the push towards bland, uncreative centrism that tends to motivate a lot of professional journalists. When you're constantly forced to read and follow and analyze and comment on every last little development of the political news cycle, there's a natural tendency to gradually stop thinking for yourself and allow the facts of the world to be entirely dictated by others; your sources, your editors, your contemporaries. You begin to see yourself as a mere conduit (or regurgitator) of information, and regard firm opinions as something other people create to provide content for you. There are ideologues in journalism, of course, but I think the worst biases that trickle through the MSM are mostly a product of reporters who are too lazily moderate themselves to realize how badly they're being played by one side or the other.

Then you have your extreme fringe, your fascists, your communists, your terrorists and fundamentalists. Leaving aside the mentally ill, to be drawn to anything this extreme usually requires some severe degree of social isolation or misanthropy, excellent breeding grounds for elaborate and horrific ways to correct a world that done you wrong. Any ideology speculating that everything unjust in the universe is the sole product of a sinister, elaborate, hidden conspiracy will obviously have enormous traction with the sort of people who feel their own failures are frustratingly inexplicable, and who are already predisposed to see enemies everywhere. But even then, it appears some base fascination with efficient solutions to complex problems seems to be a common variable as well. A 2009 study, for instance, found that Islamist terrorists were three to four times more likely to have backgrounds in engineering than any other field of study.

Of course, these are just a few of the subcultures I consider myself relatively well-versed in. In your own lives, have you noticed many instances of people whose political views are a predictable extension of the sort of thinking rewarded by their careers or communities? How rare is it for partisanship to be truly forged in a vacuum?


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How rare is it for partisanship to be truly forged in a vacuum?
It probably depends on how empty something must be to be considered a vacuum. A perfect vacuum does not exist, no nothing comes from that.

How extensively does ideology derive despite, rather than because, of the cultural biases around it? I'd say it's rare, but not nonexistent.


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I never fail to be delightfully surprised at the number of Liberals and NDP supporters in the military. Generally a good social cross section that flies in the face of the thought that military folk are naturally right wing - be that socially or economically.


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Ron Paul says a great deal of Ron Paul supporters are active-duty officers as well, which certainly defies common stereotype.

I'm not sure I know enough about military culture to guess why a soldier would be inclined to support one ideology over another. Certainly the military is orderly and hierarchical, but all movements generally have that side to them these days.


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Given their proclivities towards extreme selfishness and near-total disregard for the welfare of others I'm genuinely surprised that there'd be any libertarians or Randoids in the military at all. 8O


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Just curious, Thanos: what are the odds that you'll reconsider some of your beliefs based on that revelation?

That's rather a personal question. Don't feel compelled to answer.


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I never fail to be delightfully surprised at the number of Liberals and NDP supporters in the military. Generally a good social cross section that flies in the face of the thought that military folk are naturally right wing - be that socially or economically.


29 years and never heard anyone ADMIT to being an NDP supporter.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:59 am
 


If I was in the military, I'd try to keep my political views to myself. Last thing I'd want in my unit is something divisive like politics.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:03 am
 


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In our current political zeitgeist, at least, conservatism is frequently (and more than a little ironically) associated with being angry, argumentative, irritable, and disruptive, while liberalism is the ideology of the calm, dispassionate status quo.



yaaaaaa Bush = Hitler

thats very calm.


JJ, put the bottle down and step away from the keyboard :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:56 am
 


Martin, it sounds like he's speaking of liberalism's reputation among students, not among conservatives.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:01 am
 


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Martin, it sounds like he's speaking of liberalism's reputation among students, not among conservatives.

As well I think he may be referring more to the attitudes of more aminstream people on each side. Each side has it's angry yelling extremists of course, but it seems, to me atleast, as though the mainstream conservatives do tend to be a little angrier in general than mainstream liberal types.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:09 am
 


DanSC wrote:
If I was in the military, I'd try to keep my political views to myself. Last thing I'd want in my unit is something divisive like politics.


I think that could be extended to life in general, nothing like politics and religion to bring out divisions. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:16 am
 


Psudo wrote:
Just curious, Thanos: what are the odds that you'll reconsider some of your beliefs based on that revelation?

That's rather a personal question. Don't feel compelled to answer.


Yes, I know that Ron Paul served in the military. It's common knowledge. He sacrificed his time for the common defense. Too bad he's so resistant on the general welfare part of the contract.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:15 pm
 


That's an interesting theory regarding Islamic terrorists and engineering -- it's actually one I've read before in an engineering journal. I thought at first it was just the increased prevalence of engineers in those countries -- but upon reading the slate.com article they accounted for this. One theory they proposed was that once you factored in the employment of those engineering graduates, things evened out more (ie. those gainfully employed in the profession were less likely to be terrorists), which I suppose makes a deal of sense, and meshes nicely with JJ's idea of extremism. If you've graduated from university program (which in theory) prepares you for a good job, and you're still unemployed, you probably are more likely to think that there's "something wrong with this world" and might turn to more radical solutions. There is precedent for this in the engineering world too, especially software. It's often easier to throw out a broken, buggy system and start again with new technology and tools, rather than try to fix the old one. Radical changes and "starting fresh" are more acceptable in the world of systems than they are in the world of people.

Political viewpoints are probably coloured from your background, but not exclusively so. There's a certain amount of wisdom to be gained from examining another's ideas, which I'd like to believe is why most of us are political forum junkies? I readily admit to some libertarian leanings, but not exclusively so -- I think there is a role for government to play, and I'm not enamoured with unfettered capitalism either, although I think it's the most efficient economic system.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:19 pm
 


And JJ: real programmers/hackers thumb their collective noses at Ubuntu -- Gentoo or even Linux from scratch is for the hardcore.

(Package manager? Bah -- code your own!)

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