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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:21 pm
 


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Title: The return of the Bushies (click to view)
Date: August 26, 2011
Feeling nostalgic for the George W. Bush years yet? If so, you'll certainly have lots of time to wallow in the memories over the next couple of weeks.

Former vice president Dick Cheney is scheduled to release his memoirs in the coming days, and judging from those who've read a preview copy, it's likely to provide no shortage of headline fodder. True to character, Cheney is apparently utterly remorseless for the decisions he made during his eight years as second-in-command, including the invasion of Iraq, the approval of waterboarding, the Valerie Plame affair, the One Percent Doctrine, and all the other delightful anti-terror initiatives he came to be associated with. He also admits outright that he was in favor of broadening the War on Terror to include Syria, and tried to press President Bush to bomb the country in 2007 — only to be overruled by Bush and the rest of the cabinet. The cabinet, in turn, seems to be the subject of much Cheney ire; according to preliminary reviews, the VP bashes both Condi Rice and Colin Powell as naive peaceniks who, (at least in the case of Powell) he admits actively working to undermine.

Cheney's book release is obviously strategically timed, coming out only two weeks before the 10th anniversary of 9-11, an event which will doubtlessly thrust the Bush years back into limelight. The former president will visit Ground Zero alongside Obama on the day itself — his first major public appearance in years — and has already recorded an extensive interview with (weirdly) National Geographic TV that will air that evening. More fuel still will be added to the gossip fire later this fall, when former Bush national security advisor cum secretary of state Condoleezza Rice is expected to debut a memoir of her own.

All three of these figures obviously have something of a vested interest in ensuring that history regards their political careers fondly, and in the wake of the 9-11 decennial, all will be working overtime to retroactively justify both their overall philosophy of the War on Terror and the wisdom of the specific schemes they hatched to wage it. And at one time, such efforts would be regarded as bitterly — or even pathetically — defensive, the sad work of a disgraced ruling clique whose aggressive, intrusive, legally dubious approach to surveillance, subversion, and war had twice been thoroughly repudiated by the American people at the ballot box, first in 2006 and again in 2008.

Three years into the Obama presidency, however, the transition has not been nearly as sharp as many once hoped. Much of the Bush-era surveillance apparatus remains in effect — if not strengthened — the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been winding down much slower than anticipated, Gitmo remains open, and new military adventures have been launched in Libya and Syria. But going even further than that, I'd say it's the overall foreign policy climate heralded in by the Bush administration that remains most firmly entrenched; this kind of hazy, dark, back-of-the-brain sense that we're always at war and always a target. The morose, weary pessimism of men like Cheney, one seen as a gross character flaw, is now the default state of pretty much everyone in Washington associated with security and defense. Perhaps the-ends-justifies-everything attitude has been lessened somewhat — waterboarding is now explicitly banned, for instance — but the idea that we've made any sort of clean, decisive break with the larger anti-terror regime of Dubya I'd say is much harder to argue.

Does this reality, in turn, vindicate the second Bush presidency at all? Does it make its major players seem somewhat less villainous in the eyes of liberals and Democrats?  I'll leave that for you guys to discuss.

Oh, and talking of Condi Rice, have you seen this insane story yet? Apparently during a rebel raid on one of Quaddaffi's compounds, insurgents dug up several creepy stalker scrapbooks containing photo after photo of Condoleezza Rice. Sounds like Peter Mackay has a rival.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:27 pm
 


*Starts building a bunker for the firestorm that's going to happen*


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Good points. That's one of the things that Obama has disappointed the most on: his unwillingness to dismantle the Bush era surveillance state. It's a shame really.

Cheney's memoirs aren't that much a revelation to me. He was a war pig then and is a war pig now and still deserves to be prosecuted for war crimes.


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Good points. That's one of the things that Obama has disappointed the most on: his unwillingness to dismantle the Bush era surveillance state. It's a shame really.

Cheney's memoirs aren't that much a revelation to me. He was a war pig then and is a war pig now and still deserves to be prosecuted for war crimes.



Along with President Obama who's perpetuating the war's in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, not to mention illegally detaining innocent civilians in Guantanamo Bay. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:33 pm
 


"Like A Bridge Over Troubled Water Boarding" is a hilarious parody-title. I can imagine someone from the "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" style of fiction writers publishing a fictional and comedic alternative biography of Cheney under that title.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:04 pm
 


Cheney was a textbook fascist pig. He had his own secret agenda and was paranoid and mistrustful of everyone around him. Probably the most sinister character in the western world since J Edgar Hoover.


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If anything, Cheney's memoirs indicate how the ability of the POTUS to do much is pretty limited. Bush was limited in his ability to contain Cheney an the military-industrial complex, and so, likely is Obama. The machine the US has created is beyond the control of any one man. Comparisons to the late Roman Empire are patent.

The American people sense this--thus their anger (from the left and right) and the inability of their elected representatives to make any kind of substantive change for the better. The problem is that they assume that said representatives can change these things.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:08 pm
 


It's always been the senior civil servants/bureaucrats that run government. Heads of State are just the temporary public face. The Grey Men run the Royal family


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It's always been the senior civil servants/bureaucrats that run government. Heads of State are just the temporary public face. The Grey Men run the Royal family
Does that mean you support anyone who "pulls a Reagan" by standing against or firing the civil servant/bureaucrat class?


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Much more of the US public service is appointed by the govnerment of the day than in Canada. Its really the extra-governmental interests (i.e. corporations)that control American government.


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Much more of the US public service is appointed by the govnerment of the day than in Canada. Its really the extra-governmental interests (i.e. corporations)that control American government.


I'd agree. New US administrations tend to clear out the bureaucracy down to a pretty low level (as opposed to the Canada and Britain, where they just replace the Deputy Ministers and maybe one level below that). I think, in the US, it's the influence of lobby groups.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:26 pm
 


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Cheney was a textbook fascist pig. He had his own secret agenda and was paranoid and mistrustful of everyone around him. Probably the most sinister character in the western world since J Edgar Hoover.



The real Dr. Evil. 8O


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:55 pm
 


Well, considering this hasn't turned into a slugfest, I'll come out of my bunker :lol:

Anyway, the situation with Obama vs. Bush shows that partisan ideologues will be relatively quiet when the political party that suits the interests better is in power. The 'war/fascist pig' idea against individuals who are ideologically against someone's views won't immediately translate to administration officials under the Obama administration, even though they're still carrying out, or even expanding operations that labeled Cheney a fascist war pig.


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Well, considering this hasn't turned into a slugfest, I'll come out of my bunker :lol:

Anyway, the situation with Obama vs. Bush shows that partisan ideologues will be relatively quiet when the political party that suits the interests better is in power. The 'war/fascist pig' idea against individuals who are ideologically against someone's views won't immediately translate to administration officials under the Obama administration, even though they're still carrying out, or even expanding operations that labeled Cheney a fascist war pig.


I don't think much has been expanding. Obama inherited Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. Troop commitment in Iraq is definitely shrinking, as it is in Afghanistan. I don't think any new inmates have been moved to Guantanamo. Nad he put an end to water boarding. Not sure what he's done about the black sites.

On the other hand, Obama did elect to go to war with Libya. Depending upon whom ends up in charge, that one might actually pan out.

As for Cheney--definitely the guy Ozzy was singing about. :lol:


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